Verify that F^n is a vector space over F

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The discussion revolves around verifying that Fn is a vector space over the field F. Participants are exploring the necessary properties and definitions involved in this verification process.

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  • The original poster attempts to define the elements of Fn and considers the properties of addition and scalar multiplication. They question the redundancy of their approach and seek confirmation on their reasoning.
  • Some participants clarify the definitions involved and emphasize the importance of properties of fields in the verification process.
  • Others suggest that understanding the definition of a field is crucial for the verification task.

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The discussion is progressing with participants providing clarifications and insights into the verification process. There is an acknowledgment of the need to reference properties of fields, and participants are engaging with the definitions to enhance understanding.

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Participants are navigating the generality of verification problems and the relationship between definitions and verification in the context of vector spaces and fields.

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I that this is probably another really simple question, but I would like some help learning how one starts a 'verification problem.'

Verify that Fn is a vector space over F.

I know that I just have to show that commutativity and scalar multiplication etc. are satisfied. But I am not used to approaching problems with such generality.

I am thinking that I should first define the elements of Fn; maybe like:

Fn={(x1,...,xn) : xj [itex]\epsilon[/itex] F for j=1,2,...,n}.

Now what? This seems kind of redundant... for commutativity I would just show that

[tex](x_1,x_2,x_3,...,x_n)+(y_1,y_2,y_3,...,y_n)=(x_1+y_1,x_2+y_2,x_3+y_3,...x_n+y_n)=(y_1+x_1,y_2+x_2,y_3+x_3,...,y_n+x_n)[/tex]

Right? Is this the right approach?
 
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Looks fine to me. Sooner or later you'll realize that the only step that requires any care at all in these axiom verifications is the step where you justify with "this follows from [some property of the reals]".
 
Yep, that's about it. By definition, Fn consists of n-tuples of elements of F, as you wrote. The addition is defined as stated in the first equality of your last equation. The second equality of that equation holds because F is a field, hence its addition is commutative. And again by the definition of addition of elements in Fn, the last thing you wrote is again [itex](y_1,y_2,y_3,...,y_n)+(x_1,x_2,x_3,...,x_n)[/itex].

Of course the reason that the proof is not complicated, is that the definition of a vector space is based on that of Rn and R is just a particular field F.
 
CompuChip said:
Yep, that's about it. By definition, Fn consists of n-tuples of elements of F, as you wrote. The addition is defined as stated in the first equality of your last equation. The second equality of that equation holds because F is a field, hence its addition is commutative. And again by the definition of addition of elements in Fn, the last thing you wrote is again [itex](y_1,y_2,y_3,...,y_n)+(x_1,x_2,x_3,...,x_n)[/itex].

Of course the reason that the proof is not complicated, is that the definition of a vector space is based on that of Rn and R is just a particular field F.


Okay, this makes sense. I was wondering where the separation of definition and verification occurred. It was in my lack of understanding (or even knowing) the proper definition of a field. But after reading this, I looked it up and this whole verification business seems a whole lot clearer.

Thanks guys :smile:
 
Verification of "A is B" simply means showing that A satisifies the definition of B.

Snipez said "the only step that requires any care at all in these axiom verifications is the step where you justify with "this follows from [some property of the reals]". What he meant was that you have to use the fact that "some property of the reals" as used here is just a part of the definition of "field".

The fact, for example, that all Cauchy sequences of real numbers converge to a real number is a property of real numbers that is not part of the definition of "field" but is not used in defining a vector space over a field.
 

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