Verifying Differential Equations Solutions: ODEs on Intervals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around verifying solutions to ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically the equation xy' = -y. Participants explore the differentiation of a proposed solution and the implications of solution intervals, including open and special cases of intervals.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the differentiation of the proposed solution y = h(x) = c ln x, expressing confusion about the appearance of the x^2 term in the derivative.
  • Another participant asserts that the original equation is a separable differential equation, indicating a disagreement about the nature of the solution.
  • A participant describes their process of separation leading to -ln|y| = ln|x| + C, and seeks clarification on the substitution involved.
  • Further elaboration is provided on solving the equation by taking the exponential of both sides, leading to a relationship involving |y| and |x|, with a discussion on the treatment of absolute values in the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed solution and the method of verification. There is no consensus on the correctness of the differentiation or the interpretation of the intervals.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the method of verification for the solution, and there are unresolved questions regarding the treatment of intervals in the context of ODE solutions.

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Hi! I think I have to ask this since I'm having health problems-

from Kreyszig, for xy'=-y how do you verify the solution y=h(x)=clnx by differentiating
y'=h'(x)=-clnx^2? I don't see how you get the x^2 term
also for ODEs the solution is on an open interval a<x<b but how does it include special cases of the intervals -inf<x<b, a<x<inf, -inf<x<inf; wouldn't the open interval a<x<b exclude -inf<x<b?
thanks very much!
 
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That is not a solution.
It is a separable differential equation.
 
thanks very much!
I separated leading to-
-ln|y|=ln|x|+C
so then you just find the substitution c/x? (I misread the text: l is /)
 
mathnerd15 said:
thanks very much!
I separated leading to-
-ln|y|=ln|x|+C
so then you just find the substitution c/x? (I misread the text: l is /)
Well, you don't just "find" a substitution. You always solve an equation of the form f(y)= F(x) for y by taking [itex]f^{-1}[/itex] of both sides. The inverse function to ln(x) is, of course, [itex]e^x[/itex] so take the exponential of both sides:
[tex]e^{-ln|y|}= e^{ln|x|+ C}[/tex]

[itex]-ln|y|= ln|y^{-1}|[/itex] so the left side is [itex]y^{-1}= 1/y[/itex]. Because [itex]e^{a+ b}= e^ae^b[/itex] the right side is [itex]e^{ln|x|}e^C= C' |x|[/itex] where C'= e^C.
That is, [itex]1/|y|= C'|x|[/itex] or [itex]|y|= C'/|x|[/itex]. We can then "absorb" the absolute values into C' by allowing it to be positive or negative.
 

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