Verifying dot product and finding h

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The discussion centers on verifying calculations related to the dot product and norms of complex vectors f and g, specifically using the inner product defined as = ∑ a_i b_i. The participants confirm that ||f|| = 1/√3 and correct the norm of g to ||g|| = √(1/3). They also clarify that the inner product can yield complex values, while the norms must be real and non-negative. The span of f and g is defined as all linear combinations of these vectors, and participants explore how to find a vector h such that = 0.

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  • Understanding of inner product spaces and their properties.
  • Familiarity with complex numbers and their operations.
  • Knowledge of geometric series and their summation.
  • Ability to manipulate and simplify expressions involving limits and series.
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  • Study the properties of inner products in complex vector spaces.
  • Learn about geometric series and their applications in calculating norms.
  • Explore the concept of span in linear algebra and its implications for vector spaces.
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  • #31
dirk_mec1 said:
The instructor has put a pdf file on the internet (which I didn't see), apparently the inner product is defined as above:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2899/58958904pd7.png

So then the answer is ||g|| = \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3} }

But for <f,g> the inner product can have two values depending which function you use for the overbar, right?

Yes, you can. The innerproduct, over the complex numbers, is NOT symmetric:
&lt;f, g&gt;= \overline{&lt;g, f&gt;}
 
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  • #32
gabbagabbahey said:
Hmmm...I'm not too familiar with the notation here. What exactly do the []'s mean?

Here is how I would write the span:

\text{span} \{ f,g \} =\{ \alpha_n \left( \frac{-1}{2} \right) ^n+ \beta_n \left( \frac{i}{2} \right) ^n|\alpha_n,\beta_n \in \mathbb{C} \quad \forall \; n \in \mathbb{N} \}
I talked to the instructor and the expression above is incorrect.

It should be like this:

\text{span} \{ f,g \} =\{ \alpha \left( \frac{-1}{2} \right) ^n+ \beta \left( \frac{i}{2} \right) ^n|\alpha,\beta \in \mathbb{C} \quad \forall \; n \in \mathbb{N} \}

Notice that the constants are independent of n.
 
  • #33
HallsofIvy said:
How many definitions of "inner product" are there?

The only one I know is
"An inner product on a vector space V is a mapping from VxV to C (or R is the vector space is over R) such that
1) <au+ bv,w>= a<u,v>+ b<v,w>

2) <u, v>= complex conjugate of <v, u> (or just <v,u> if the vector space is over R)

3) <u, u> \ge 0

4) <u, u>= 0 if and only if u= 0."

If by "defining" the inner product, you mean defining such a function on a specific vector space, if it does not satisfy those, it is NOT an inner product.

Yes, this definition is used in my lecture notes.
 
  • #34
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, you can. The innerproduct, over the complex numbers, is NOT symmetric:
&lt;f, g&gt;= \overline{&lt;g, f&gt;}

What do you mean by "yes, you can"? I presume you mean that only one value corresponds to <f,g> with f and g complex.
 

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