Verifying Efficiency in a Thermodynamic System: Q1 & Q2

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The discussion revolves around verifying the efficiency of a thermodynamic system, specifically focusing on two problems related to thermal efficiency calculations using the Carnot efficiency formula. The participants are analyzing the relationships between temperatures in Kelvin and Celsius and how they affect the efficiency calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to verify the efficiency calculations for two separate problems, using the Carnot efficiency equation. There is a focus on the conversion between Celsius and Kelvin, and one participant questions the validity of their temperature conversion leading to an unexpected result.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the first problem's solution. Guidance has been offered regarding the handling of temperature units, suggesting alternative approaches to avoid conversion errors. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to solve the second problem.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the use of temperature units (Celsius vs. Kelvin) in the calculations, which is affecting the participants' ability to arrive at a consistent solution. The original poster is seeking verification and assistance with the second problem specifically.

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Homework Statement


Q2.jpg

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Homework Equations


e = 1 - (Tc/Th)
(Temp in Kelvins)

The Attempt at a Solution


e = 1 - (300k/520k) = .42 or 42%
No because the engine can only perform 42 J of work for each 100 J of energy.

Homework Statement


Q1.jpg

http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx183/reddiesel08/Q1.jpg

Homework Equations


eff = 1 - (Tc/Th)
eff = W/Qh

The Attempt at a Solution



I know:
e = .35
Th = 180*C + Tc
Tc = Th - 180*

Need someone to verify number 1 for me and to help me solve number 2. Thanks in advance.
 
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Number 1 is right. For number 2, you have all the equations you need. You have
e = 0.35 = 1-\frac{T_C}{T_H}
and
Th = 180+ Tc
So you can solve them together by substitution.
 
LeonhardEuler said:
Number 1 is right. For number 2, you have all the equations you need. You have
e = 0.35 = 1-\frac{T_C}{T_H}
and
Th = 180+ Tc
So you can solve them together by substitution.

ok so...

.35 = 1 - [(Tc + 273)K / (Tc + 180 + 273)K]

.35 = 1 - [(Tc + 273K) / (Tc + 453K)]

-.65 = - [(Tc + 273K) / (Tc + 453K)] (divide by -1 on both sides)

.65 = [(Tc + 273K) / (Tc + 453K)]

.65(Tc + 453K) = Tc + 273K

.65Tc + 294.45K = Tc + 273K

21.45K = .35Tc

Tc = 61.29K (convert to *C) = -211*C

This can't be right. Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong?
 
You're units are not right. If you put in the "+273", then you are already solving for the temperatures in Celsius, so you don't need to convert in the end. Alternatively, and I think this is easier, you could solve it without the "+273"'s to get the answer in Kelvin, and convert in the end. But you got the right answer in Celsius before you converted.
 

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