Verifying if t=λx Implies x^2∂²y/∂x² = t²∂²y/∂t²

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The discussion revolves around verifying the relationship between derivatives given the condition \( t = \lambda x \). The subject area includes differential equations and partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a relationship between the second derivatives of \( y \) with respect to \( x \) and \( t \) based on the substitution \( t = \lambda x \). Some participants question the appropriateness of using partial derivatives in this context and suggest considering the dependency of \( t \) solely on \( x \). Others propose that the focus should be on how a linear scaling affects the derivatives rather than solving an equation.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing clarifications on the nature of the variables involved. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring regarding the implications of the substitution and the nature of the derivatives.

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There is a suggestion that the problem may involve showing that a function of the form \( f(t - \lambda x) \) satisfies the differential equation, indicating potential constraints on the interpretation of the variables. Additionally, the original poster emphasizes that their inquiry is focused on the steps involved in the differential equation rather than seeking a final solution.

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Homework Statement



Verify if ##t=\lambda x## then ##x^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2} = t^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}##

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[tex]t=\lambda x\;\Rightarrow\; \frac{\partial t}{\partial x}=\lambda[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial y}{\partial t}\frac{\partial t}{\partial x}= \lambda\;\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2}=\lambda \frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2} \frac{\partial t}{\partial x}=\lambda^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}[/tex]

[tex]x^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2}=\frac{t^2}{\lambda^2}\lambda^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}\;\Rightarrow\;x^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2} = t^2\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}[/tex]

Am I correct?

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Yes, with just a minor quibble:
"t" is only dependent on "x", and not in addition dependent on other variables.
Thus, you should use dt/dx, rather than the symbol for the partial derivative here.
 
Your differential equation has dependent variable "y" so it makes no sense to ask if "[itex]t= \lambda x[/itex]" satisfies the equation.

I suspect you are asked to show that [itex]f(t-\lambda x)[/itex] satisfies the equation for f any twice differentiable function of a single variable.
 
I don't agree HallsofIvy. Here, it is about how a simple linear scaling will affect the shape of a particular derivative from the "unscaled" x as independent variable, to its shape in its "scaled" variable "t". That is, we are dealing with the correct IDENTITY, not an equation! It is not about an "equation" as such, but meant as an intermediate step in transforming an equation from the "x"-formulation to its logically equivalent "t"-formulation.

TECHNICALLY, we are looking at the relation between the shapes of the derivatives of functions y and Y, respectively, fulfilling the relation
y(x,...)=Y(t(x),...)

making an abuse of notation with replacing "Y" with "y" everywhere.
 
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Thanks everyone. I meant exactly what I asked, it's only about the steps to perform the differential equation.
 

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