Very confusing question about transformer

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The discussion revolves around a question related to transformers, specifically focusing on the rated power output and the relationships between primary and secondary voltages and currents. Participants are examining the implications of the turns ratio and the power consumed at rated voltage.

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  • Participants are questioning the rationale behind using rated power as the power output and exploring the relationships between voltage and current in the transformer circuit. There is an attempt to clarify the equations governing the transformer behavior and the implications of the turns ratio.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the rated power and its relation to the load's operation at rated voltage. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding secondary voltage and current relationships, with requests for further elaboration on specific points of confusion.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about voltage relationships in the transformer setup and the implications of the turns ratio on current and voltage calculations. There is a mention of specific equations and principles that are under discussion, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the approaches taken.

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Please review the question and answer of question 34.

The Attempt at a Solution


1.Why does the answer take the rated power as the power output?
2.I tried to find the current like this:
R=200^2 / 100 = 400 ohm
I at Q = 400/[2(400)] = 0.5 A
I at P = 0.5/2 = 0.25 A
3. As the approach as shown as (2) is wrong. Either V is not equal to IR in the circuit Q or the secondary voltage is not 400/2 = 200V.
4. As question 36 used a similar method as (2), V should be equal IR. So the only possibility is Vq not equal to Vp [Nq/Np].
5. However as the change of magnetic flux is the same everywhere in the iron core. By V=-NdΦ/dt.
Vp=- Np dΦ/dt...(a)
Vq=- Nq dΦ/dt...(b)
Vr=- Nr dΦ/dt...(c)
by (b)/(a)
Vq = Vp [Nq/Np]
6. So please tell me what's wrong. Thank you VERY much.
 
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Clara Chung said:
1.Why does the answer take the rated power as the power output?
The power rating of the load is nothing but the power consumed when operating at rated voltage. The rated voltage is 200V and secondary voltage happens to be 200V (because of the turns ratio). Hence, the load consumes the rated power.
 
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cnh1995 said:
The power rating of the load is nothing but the power consumed when operating at rated voltage. The rated voltage is 200V and secondary voltage happens to be 200V (because of the turns ratio). Hence, the load consumes the rated power.
Oh I see. As you have introduce magnetomotive force before, although Vq = Vp Nq/Np ,however Np Ip = Nq Iq + Nr Ir ,therefore 2Ip = Iq + Ir, so Ip = Iq Am I right?
 
Clara Chung said:
so Ip = Iq Am I right?
Yes.
Clara Chung said:
As the approach as shown as (2) is wrong. Either V is not equal to IR in the circuit Q or the secondary voltage is not 400/2 = 200V.
Could you elaborate? Why do you think the secondary voltage is not 200V?
 

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