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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula for the volume of a "pop-up" tent, characterized by its hexagonal base and semi-circular vertical cross-section. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including volume integration and geometric considerations, to solve this problem.

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  • One participant suggests using a volume integral and notes that considering a fraction of the tent (1/6 or 1/12) is sufficient.
  • Another participant proposes avoiding explicit volume integration by focusing on the geometry of the tent's base, which is an equilateral triangle, and provides a series of mathematical transformations and integrals to derive the volume.
  • A later reply points out a potential omission in the area formula for the triangle and mentions using a different coordinate system for the integral.
  • Some participants agree that certain parts of the volume integral are straightforward, while others emphasize the simplicity of the integral involved.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to derive the volume, with some favoring volume integration and others proposing geometric methods. There is no consensus on a single method or solution.

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There are mentions of missing assumptions regarding the dimensions and relationships between the height and base of the tent, as well as unresolved steps in the integration process.

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A light-weight "pop-up" tent consists of six flexible plastic struts that are inserted into pockets sewn into the joins of the fabric panels. The resulting shape has hexagonal horizontal cross-sections, while vertical cross-sections through the centre are semi-circular.

Derive a formula for the volume of the tent as a function of its height.

How do i do it? I tried doing a symmetrical trapezium on the graph and revolved it around half way to get the tent look, not a sphere, but the top part (the roof of the tent) was in the shape of a trapezium (shaped like a diamond? like there's edges), not half a sphere like it should be, and the base being a hexagon. If you can imagine it? Anyways, need help!

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Can you use a volume integral?

It is sufficient to consider 1/6 or 1/12 of the tent, of course.

The result looks very nice.
 
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You can avoid explicit volume integration if you're clever (and get it right, which perhaps I haven't):

Note that the base of a 1/6 of the tent is an equilateral triangle, sides of length [itex]l[/itex] (which is h at its maximum), and area[itex]\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}l[/itex]. http://gyazo.com/6ce4bd547e7a5a47fc89a45ad586f79b Note that
[tex]l^2+x^2=h^2[/tex]
[tex]l=\sqrt{h^2-x^2}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{x=0}^{x=h}\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}ldx=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\int_{x=0}^{x=h}\sqrt{h^2-x^2}dx[/tex]
Integrate:
[tex]x=h \cos(u)[/tex]
[tex]dx=-h \sin(u)du[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4}\int_{x=0}^{x=h}\sqrt{h^2-h^2 \cos^2(u)}(-h \sin(u))du=\frac{-h^2 \sqrt{3}}{4}\int_{x=0}^{x=h}(\sin^2(u) )du[/tex]
[tex]x=h, u=0[/tex]
[tex]x=0, u=\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{h^2 \sqrt{3}}{4}\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}(\sin^2(u) )du=\frac{h^2 \sqrt{3}}{4}\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

Multiply by 6 for the whole thing.
 
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Well, two parts of the volume integral are trivial, so you just have to calculate an easy 1-dimensional integral there as well.

I think there is an ##l## missing in your formula of the triangle area.
I used a different coordinate for the non-trivial integral.
 
mfb said:
Well, two parts of the volume integral are trivial, so you just have to calculate an easy 1-dimensional integral there as well.

I think there is an ##l## missing in your formula of the triangle area.
I used a different coordinate for the non-trivial integral.

You're right- the integral is much simpler, just a polynomial.
 

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