Visualising Torsion Tensor: Is There a Picture?

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The discussion centers on visualizing the torsion tensor in differential geometry, particularly in relation to parallel transport on manifolds. Participants explore the implications of torsion and curvature, and seek pictorial representations to aid understanding. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, connections, and the nature of manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that parallel transport around a closed loop can result in angular changes due to the Riemann curvature tensor or translational defects due to the torsion tensor, and seeks a visual representation of torsion's effects.
  • Another participant provides links to external discussions and papers that may offer insights into the concept of torsion in differential geometry.
  • It is noted that the existence of torsion is a property of the connection rather than the manifold itself, with the possibility of defining a connection that leads to non-zero torsion even in flat spaces.
  • Some participants clarify that while there is a unique metric-compatible connection that is torsion-free, there are also metric-compatible connections that can exhibit torsion, leading to more general types of manifolds like Einstein-Cartan manifolds.
  • A participant expresses the need for visual aids to better grasp the concept of torsion, referencing figures from a paper that illustrate related phenomena in materials science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of torsion and its representation, with some emphasizing the connection's role and others focusing on the manifold's properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to visualize torsion and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the limitations of their understanding and the complexity of the topic, indicating that visual representations may vary in effectiveness based on individual interpretations of the mathematical concepts involved.

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As I understand it, parallel transport of a vector around a closed loop on a manifold can lead (in the tangent space) to 1) an angular change, given by the Riemann curvature tensor or, 2) a translational defect given by the Torsion tensor.

I can see how the looping on the curvature of a 2D sphere leads to such a changed angle. Is there any equivalent representation of the features of a 2D manifold that would help me visualise pictorially how torsion leads to a translational defect?

Also, is there an easy way to understand how an intrinsic translational defect can be thought of as a generalisation of an extrinsic rotation in flat space?
 
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The best I can do
is to point you to possibly interesting reading:

a very long set of discussions at
https://mathoverflow.net/questions/20493/what-is-torsion-in-differential-geometry-intuitively

One answer points to a paper by Hehl
"Elie Cartan's torsion in geometry and in field theory, an essay"
https://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1535
which draws on pg. 3
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Isn't the (non)existence of torsion a property of the connection, rather than the manifold? There exists a unique metric-compatible connection that leads to zero torsion. So you can't do anything like the illustration of curved manifolds by embedding a 2-sphere because you can always pick a connection that leads to zero torsion.

But presumably you can also pick a connection that leads to non-zero torsion even in quite trivial cases. Thus (I think!) you could have torsion on a flat 2d plane by picking a non-trivial connection. As far as I understand it, the connection would (via the covariant derivative and hence parallel transport) affect what it means to "travel in a straight line". So you could pick a connection such that the un-accelerated path of a particle on the plane was a parabola (or something) while the shortest distance between two points remained what Euclid would call a straight line.
 
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You are right, there's a unique metric compatible torsion-free connection on a Riemannian manifold, and it's given by the usual Christoffel symbols wrt. a coordinate basis, and by definition a Riemannian manifold is the one, for which the affine connection is defined as this unique torsion-free connection.

However, there are also metric-compatbile connections that are not torsion-free. Then you get a more general type of manifold, an Einstein-Cartan manifold. If you want to define fields with spin, in general you need these more general manifolds. For a review, see

https://doi.org/10.1103/RevModPhys.48.393
 
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vanhees71 said:
However, there are also metric-compatbile connections that are not torsion-free.
Yes, metric compatibility and torsion free-ness are separate choices. I didn't state that clearly.
 
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Thanks all. I guess I should have been clearer about not presuming the manifold was Riemannian. I had seen the mathoverflow link, but find algebra only helps once I have some visual handle on a concept, however simplistic.

On rereading Hehl's paper (https://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1535), the following seems to me to fit the bill:

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Figure 2: Schematic view on a two-dimensional Cosserat continuum: Undeformed
initial state.

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Figure 11: Deformation of a cubic crystal by edge dislocations of type α121:
The relative orientations of the lattice plains in 2-direction change. A vector
in x2-direction will rotate, if parallelly displaced along the x1-direction. As
a consequence a contortion κ112 emerges and the closure failure occur of the
“infinitesimal” parallelogram.Although I'm not smart/knowledgeable enough to decide which was the more appropriate:

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Figure 4: Homogeneous contortion
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Figure 6: Conventional rotation ∂[1u2] of the “particles” of a Cosserat continuum
caused by an inhomogeneous strain.
 

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