Voltage in Circuit: What Happens to Voltmeter?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a voltmeter in a circuit when a switch is closed. Participants explore concepts related to voltage, electromotive force (emf), and resistance in the context of electrical circuits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to relate the voltmeter's readings to the circuit's behavior when the switch is closed, questioning what the voltmeter measures (emf or voltage across components). They explore analogies to better understand the circuit dynamics and raise questions about the relationship between current, resistance, and voltage.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various analogies and questioning the nature of emf and its constancy. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between current and voltage, but multiple interpretations of the voltmeter's readings and the effects of closing the switch are still being explored.

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Participants are navigating complex concepts such as internal resistance and the implications of short-circuiting components. There is some confusion regarding terminology, particularly around emf, which is being clarified throughout the discussion.

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What happens with the voltmeter if we close s? How am I supposed to think here? I am guessing that the total resistace is oing to decrease and then what? btw is the voltmeter measuring emk or the voltage in the circuit?

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An analogy, the battery like a water dam. All the components are turbines where we can see the rotating blades. The wire just water pipe. A switch is a valve to pass/stop water flowing.
The voltmeter is just a pressure meter where we assume the height of the water in the dam is constant.
 
well I kinda have to know what the voltmeter is measuring. any ideas?
 
How does the voltmeter reading change with the amount of current supplied by the battery (what influences the voltage reading)? Consider that the voltmeter is connected directly across the battery: What comprises the battery?

How does the battery current change when the switch is closed?
 
If we short-circuited a components, it means we bypassed the the water going thru that component render it invisible to the whole system.
If you short-circuit the battery, the water dam will burst.
 
the current increases and the total resistance decrases so it depends by how much they change. Is te voltmeter measuring emk?
 
Drizzy said:
the current increases and the total resistance decrases so it depends by how much they change. Is te voltmeter measuring emk?
Can you define "emk"? I suspect that this is a language/translation issue.

From what I can tell from the circuit diagram the voltmeter is measuring the potential across the battery. The batter apparently has some emf (electromotive force or inherent potential difference) in series with some internal resistance Ri.
 
electromotor something

U = ems - RI

is U constant?

if so then ems is going to increase
 
ems or emk is emf
 
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Drizzy said:
electromotor something

U = ems - RI

is U constant?

if so then ems is going to increase
ems (or emf or emk) is not going to change. It's an inherent property of the chemistry of the battery. Assuming that R remains constant for that battery, then U will change when the current I changes. U is the potential measured across the battery's terminals.

So the voltmeter is measuring the potential across the battery's terminals (U). When the switch closes, how will this affect the current drawn from the battery?
 
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when the current increases the voltage decrases right?
 
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Drizzy said:
when the current increases the voltage decrases right?
Yes, when the load current increases the potential across the battery will decrease. So what are your conclusions about what happens when the switch closes?
 
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but why is emf constant?

emf = (Ri + R)I

The current increases and the resistance decreases so the emf shouldn't be constant .
 
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The emf is constant, it's a built-in property of the battery. Other measured values (voltages, currents) in the circuit will vary.

Writing 2 = x + y does not make 2 a variable :smile:
 

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