Volume element in different coordinate system

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The discussion focuses on the transformation of the infinitesimal volume element when changing from Cartesian coordinates (x, y) to polar coordinates (r, θ). The volume element in Cartesian coordinates is expressed as dV = dx dy, while in polar coordinates, it transforms to dV = r dr dθ, where r is the Jacobian determinant of the transformation. The user encounters confusion regarding the equality of volume elements in different coordinate systems and is advised to apply the formal rules of differential multiplication, specifically using the skew product and vector representation to clarify the transformation process.

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Very simple question:

Let [itex]x^0,x^1,...,x^n[/itex] be some fixed coordinate system, so that the infinitesimal volume element is [itex]dV=dx^0dx^1...dx^n[/itex].
Then any change to a new (primed) coordinate system [itex]x^{0'},x^{1'},...,x^{n'}[/itex] transforms the volume to [tex]dV=\frac{\partial (x^0,x^1,...,x^n)}{\partial (x^{0'},x^{1'},...,x^{n'})}dx^{0'}dx^{1'}...dx^{n'}[/tex] where [itex]\frac{\partial (x^0,x^1,...,x^n)}{\partial (x^{0'},x^{1'},...,x^{n'})}[/itex] is the determinat of the jacobian of the transformation.

So let's try to do this in a concrete example: the transformation from cartesian [itex]x,y[/itex] to polar [itex]r,\theta[/itex] coordinates.
The Jacobian is simply [itex]r[/itex] and so i get to [itex]dV=dxdy=rdrd\theta[/itex].

Doing the math i get [tex]dV^{pol.}=r(\cos\theta dx+\sin\theta dy)(-\frac{1}{r}\sin\theta dx+\frac{1}{r}\cos\theta dy)[/tex]since [itex]dr=\cos\theta dx+\sin\theta dy[/itex] and [itex]d\theta=-\frac{1}{r}\sin\theta dx+\frac{1}{r}\cos\theta dy[/itex].
But then:[tex]dV^{pol.}=-\cos\theta\sin\theta dx^2+\cos^2\theta dxdy-\sin^2\theta dxdy + \cos\theta\sin\theta dy^2[/tex] and is clear that [itex]dV^{cart.}\neq dV^{pol.}[/itex] !
Where is my mistake?? Thanks for your help guys!
 
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You can't just multiply differentials.

Try using the formal rules

dx dx = dy dy = 0

and

dx dy = -dy dx
 
[tex]x= r cos(\theta)[/tex] [tex]y= r sin(\theta)[/tex]

[tex]dx= cos(\theta)dr- r sin(\theta)d\theta[/tex]

[tex]dy= sin(\theta)dr+ r cos(\theta)d\theta[/tex]

But when you multiply differentials, you have to use "skew product" Petr Mugver mentions.

A good way of thinking about it is as vectors
[tex]dx= cos(\theta)dr\vec{i}- r sin(\theta)d\theta\vec{j}[/tex]
[tex]dy= sin(\theta)dr\vec{i}+ r sin(\theta)d\theta\vec{j}[/tex]

Now the product is the cross product of the two "vectors".

[tex]\left|\begin{array}{ccc}\vec{i} & \vec{j} & \vec{k} \\ cos(\theta) & - rsin(\theta) & 0 \\ sin(\theta) & rcos(\theta) & 0 \end{array}\right|= (rcos^2(\theta)+ rsin^2(\theta))drd\theta\vec{k}= r drd\theta \vec{k}[/tex]
 

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