Volume of Polyhedra: Smart Systematic Solutions

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The discussion revolves around methods for determining the volume of polyhedra, particularly those exhibiting symmetry. Participants explore various approaches, including geometric breakdowns and theoretical frameworks, while considering the complexity of visualization in three dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a systematic approach may exist for calculating the volume of symmetric polyhedra.
  • Another participant proposes starting with the area of polygons as a simpler problem to tackle first.
  • A different participant mentions breaking a polygon into rectangles and triangles, noting that this method could be generalized to three dimensions, though they express concerns about visualization and potential errors.
  • Another approach discussed involves decomposing the polyhedron into pyramids based on its faces.
  • One participant references the divergence theorem as a method for deriving volume, providing a formula that incorporates the areas of the polyhedron's faces and points on those faces.
  • Participants share references to literature that may provide further insights into volume computation for polyhedra and higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on a single method for calculating the volume of polyhedra, with multiple approaches and ideas presented, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their visualization skills and the complexity of applying certain mathematical concepts to three-dimensional shapes, which may affect their proposed methods.

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Is there a smart or systematic way to determine the volume of a polyhedra with a fair amount of symmetry?
 
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I have no idea but I suppose area of polygon may be easier problem to challenge first.
 
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The BFMI way is to break a polygon into rectangles and triangles. In theory, this is generalizable to 3d, but my visualization skills are probably not sufficient for that not to be an error prone path. It seems like that there should be some geometry that provides a simpler path for certain classes of polyhedra.
 
I guess I could break it into pyramids with a face for each base. D’oh.
 
In general and for lower dimensions, volume can be derived from the divergence theorem.
The general formula is
## {\displaystyle {\frac {1}{3}}\left|\sum _{F}(Q_{F}\cdot N_{F})\operatorname {area} (F)\right|,} ##

... where the sum is over faces F of the polyhedron, QF is an arbitrary point on face F, NF is the unit vector perpendicular to F pointing outside the solid, and the multiplication dot is the dot product
Do not trust my latex here. Use this:

See:
Goldman, Ronald N. (1991), "Chapter IV.1: Area of planar polygons and volume of polyhedra", in Arvo, James (ed.), Graphic Gems Package: Graphics Gems II, Academic Press, pp. 170–171

See for higher dimensions: Büeler, B.; Enge, A.; Fukuda, K. (2000), "Exact Volume Computation for Polytopes: A Practical Study", Polytopes — Combinatorics and Computation, p. 131, CiteSeerX 10.1.1.39.7700, doi:10.1007/978-3-0348-8438-9_6, ISBN 978-3-7643-6351-2
 
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Thanks. I think I can find my way now.
 

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