Volume of Region Bounded by x^2-y^2=16, y=0, x=8, about y-axis

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a region bounded by the equations $$x^2-y^2=16$$, $$y=0$$, and $$x=8$$ when rotated about the y-axis. Participants explore different methods of integration, specifically the washer method and cylindrical shell method, while addressing potential errors in their calculations and interpretations of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a volume calculation using integration with respect to y, suggesting bounds of $-4\sqrt{3}$ and $+4\sqrt{3}$, leading to a volume of $256\pi$.
  • Another participant claims the volume is double the textbook answer due to not accounting for the bounding by $$y=0$$.
  • Some participants express confusion about how to incorporate the bound $$y=0$$ when integrating with respect to y, questioning whether to divide their answer by 2.
  • A participant suggests using the cylindrical shell method as an alternative to the washer method to avoid issues with the bounds.
  • One participant admits to mixing up $$x=0$$ and $$y=0$$, clarifying that $$y=0$$ is the horizontal line.
  • A related problem is introduced regarding the volume of a region bounded by $$y=x^3$$, $$x=0$$, and $$y=8$$ when rotated about $$x=2$$, prompting questions about the area being above or below the curve.
  • Another participant clarifies that the region in the related problem refers to the area above the cubic and below the horizontal line.
  • A participant calculates the volume for the related problem and concludes that the volumes when rotated about $$x=2$$ and the y-axis would not be the same, attributing earlier confusion to an arithmetic error.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to the original volume calculation, with no consensus reached on the proper integration method or the correct volume. The related problem also introduces additional questions and uncertainties regarding the interpretation of the region.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of how to apply the bounds in integration, particularly regarding the horizontal line $$y=0$$ and its implications for the volume calculation. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between the volumes calculated for different rotation axes.

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Region bounded by $$x^2-y^2=16, y=0, x=8$$, about y-axis

Integrating with respect to y, my lower and upper bounds are $-4\sqrt{3}$ and $+4\sqrt{3}$, respectively.

$$V=\pi \int_{-4\sqrt{3}}^{4\sqrt{3}} 64-(16+y^2)\,dy$$
$$=2\pi \int_{0}^{4\sqrt{3}} 48-y^2\,dy$$
$$=2\pi (192\sqrt{3})$$
$$=256\pi$$

My textbook answer says the answer is $128\pi$, but I have a hunch that it's wrong because it probably also assumed that the curve was bounded by x=0, which it is not.

Not sure if this is a new feature, but I included the graph in spoilers:
[desmos="-10,10,-10,10"]x^2-y^2=16;x=8[/desmos]
 
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Your answer is double that of your textbook because you did not account for the bounding by $y=0$. :D
 
If I'm integrating w.r.t y, how can I incorporate the bound y=0 in my calculations? Or will I just have to divide my answer by 2?

I guess I could maybe use a cylindrical shell method using x-bounds to eliminate the issue, but the question specifically asked for the washer method.
 
Rido12 said:
If I'm integrating w.r.t y, how can I incorporate the bound y=0 in my calculations? Or will I just have to divide my answer by 2?

I guess I could maybe use a cylindrical shell method using x-bounds to eliminate the issue, but the question specifically asked for the washer method.

You would simply use $y=0$ as your lower limit of integration. :D
 
Whoops! For some reason, I got $$x=0$$ and $$y=0$$ mixed up. $$y=0$$ is the horizontal line...and I was thinking it was the vertical y-axis the whole time...(Headbang)(Headbang)(Headbang)(Headbang)(Headbang)
 
Another related problem:

The region bounded by $y=x^3$, $x=0$, $y=8$, about $x=2$.

Is it referring to the region above the curve, or below the curve?
[desmos="-10,10,-10,10"]y=x^3;x=0;y=8;x=2[/desmos]
 
It is referring to the region above the cubic, below the horizontal line and to the right of the $y$-axis.
 
In which case, wouldn't rotation that about $x=2$ have the same volume as if you were to rotate that about the y-axis?

Constructing washers, we see that the area of a washer:
$$A=\pi [(r_o)^2-(r_i )^2]$$
$$A=\pi [(2)^2-(2-(f(y) )^2]$$
$$A=\pi [(2)^2-(2-y^{1/3} )^2]$$
$$A=\pi [4y^{1/3}-y^{2/3}]$$
$$V=\pi [4y^{1/3}-y^{2/3}] dy$$

Calculating the volume of all the washers:

$$V=\pi \int_{0}^{8}[4y^{1/3}-y^{2/3}] \,dy$$
$$=\frac{144\pi}{5}$$

I've answered my own question, no, they wouldn't have the same area. I'm having a bad day today, (Rain). I did it the right way the first time but made an arithmetic error, forcing me to believe that the area they're looking for was under $y=x^3$. Thanks again, Mark!
 

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