Vortices - differentiation of the field in abelian Higgs

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of vortices in the context of the Abelian Higgs model, specifically focusing on the differentiation of the field and the implications of the phase behavior of the field as it approaches infinity. Participants are examining the gradient of the field in polar coordinates and the associated mathematical intricacies.

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  • One participant questions the claim from Zee's and Shifman's texts regarding the behavior of the field \(\phi(r,\theta)\) as \(r\) approaches infinity, specifically whether the phase is equal to \(1/r\).
  • Another participant suggests expressing the gradient in polar coordinates to clarify the relationship between the derivatives and the field behavior.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the appearance of a minus sign in the equations and whether the partial derivatives are in polar or Cartesian coordinates.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the Levi-Civita symbol and its relevance to the gradient and the \(1/r\) term.
  • One participant attempts to derive the partial derivatives of the angle \(\theta\) using the relation from polar coordinates, highlighting the complexity of the derivation.
  • A later post elaborates on the derivatives of the arctangent function, expressing frustration with the lack of explanatory context in the textbooks.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical details, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts being discussed. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the mathematical treatment remain unresolved.

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Participants note limitations in the explanations provided in the textbooks, including missing assumptions and the need for clearer derivations of mathematical steps. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific definitions and coordinate systems that are not universally agreed upon.

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In Zee's "Nutshell QFT" (chapter V.7) or Shifman's book "Avanced Topics in QFT" (section 10) when they talk about vortices, they claim:

if [itex]\phi(r,\theta)[/itex] goes to [itex]\nu[/itex]exp( i[itex]\theta[/itex]) as r goes to infinity

then [itex]\partial_{i}[/itex][itex]\phi[/itex] becomes [itex]\nu[/itex](1/r)

I do not see how? Is the phase equal to 1/r if r goes to r?

thank you
 
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In Zee's "Nutshell QFT" (chapter V.7) or Shifman's book "Avanced Topics in QFT" (section 10) when they talk about vortices, they claim:

if [itex]\phi(r,\theta)[/itex] goes to [itex]\nu[/itex]exp( i[itex]\theta[/itex]) as r goes to infinity

then [itex]\partial_{i}[/itex][itex]\phi[/itex] becomes [itex]\nu[/itex](1/r)

I do not see how? Is the phase equal to 1/r if r goes to r?

thank you

Just express the gradient in polar coordinates:

$$\nabla f =( \partial_r f )\hat{e}_r + \frac{1}{r} (\partial_\theta f )\hat{e}_\theta.$$
 
thanks, fzero!
 
Wait, still not clear...

Especially, what Shifman does or Rubakov in "Classical Theory of Gauge Theories" on page 159, of which I attached a pdf copy down below. Where does the minus sign come from? Are the partial derivatives in polar or x-y coordinates? I know that the 1/r comes from the gradient somehow, as fzero pointed out, but why the Levi-Cita symbol?

I'm sorry, scine I know that it must be super simple and "obvious", but I can't see it.

Very grateful in advance for any extra hints!
 

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Lapidus said:
Wait, still not clear...

Especially, what Shifman does or Rubakov in "Classical Theory of Gauge Theories" on page 159, of which I attached a pdf copy down below. Where does the minus sign come from? Are the partial derivatives in polar or x-y coordinates? I know that the 1/r comes from the gradient somehow, as fzero pointed out, but why the Levi-Cita symbol?

I'm sorry, scine I know that it must be super simple and "obvious", but I can't see it.

Very grateful in advance for any extra hints!

You should work out ##\partial_i \theta## using the usual relation from polar coordinates that ##\theta = \tan^{-1}(y/x)##. The relative minus sign between the ##x## and ##y## components is related to the appearance of ##x/y## in this formula.
 
Ok, after all not so super obvious:

Given z = arctan(y/x) = arctan(yx⁻¹):

∂z/∂x = [1/(1 + (y/x)²)] * (∂/∂x)(yx⁻¹)
= [1/(1 + (y/x)²)] * (-yx⁻²)
= [1/(1 + y²/x²)] * (-y/x²)
= -y / (x² + y²).

∂z/∂y = [1/(1 + (y/x)²)] * (∂/∂y)(yx⁻¹)
= [1/(1 + y²/x²)] * (x⁻¹)
= [1/(1 + y²/x²)] * (1/x)
= 1/(x + y²/x)
= x / (x² + y²).

Arghhh, those textbooks that throw just equations at you without explaining anything.
 

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