Vorticity and Flux of Vector Field ##\vec{f}## Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of vorticity and divergence in vector fields, specifically focusing on the vector field ##\vec{f}##. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these quantities in fluid dynamics and mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines vorticity as ##\vec{\omega} = \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{f}## and questions if there is a special name for the local flux measured by ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{f}##.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "divergence" is the appropriate name for the quantity resulting from the divergence operation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the need for a different term for divergence, emphasizing that it is already a well-defined concept.
  • There is a discussion about the physical interpretation of divergence in fluid dynamics, with references to sources and sinks.
  • One participant insists that "vorticity" is a physical quantity, while divergence should also be associated with a physical quantity rather than just qualitative terms.
  • Another participant references external literature on incompressible flow, suggesting a relationship between incompressibility and irrotational flow.
  • A participant challenges others to propose a name for the divergence and its usefulness, indicating a skepticism about the practical application of mathematical classifications without physical relevance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and significance of divergence versus vorticity, with no consensus reached on the need for an alternative name for divergence or its physical implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the distinction between qualitative and quantitative aspects of divergence and vorticity, suggesting that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and contexts within fluid dynamics.

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The quantity ##\vec{\omega} = \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{f}## is called vorticity and is the measure of the local circulation of the vector field ##\vec{f}##.

So, given the same vector field ##\vec{f}##, is possible measure the local flux by ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{f}##. This quantity has some special name?
 
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You mean other than "divergence"?
 
Matterwave said:
You mean other than "divergence"?

I'm thinking so-so like way:
The curl operation results the vorticity, so the divergence operation results the ... ?
 
The divergence results in the...divergence...why would you need another word for it, when you have a perfectly good word already?

The "vorticity" you mention as a name is only valid for the curl of the velocity field of a fluid. A general curl is called a curl...

For a fluid, the divergence of the velocity would be sinks or sources I suppose. Sinks being negative divergence and sources being positive divergence.
 
"Vorticity" isn't just a name, is a quantity! Source and sink are just qualitative considerations, I'd want a physical quantity for the divergence of the velocity of a fluid.
 
Incompressible is analogous of irrotational...
 
Tell you what, why don't you come up with a name for it, and tell us how useful this classification is, and maybe we'll all use it.

In the standard literature the terms WBN and I gave you are basically it.
 
Matterwave said:
Tell you what, why don't you come up with a name for it, and tell us how useful this classification is, and maybe we'll all use it.

In the standard literature the terms WBN and I gave you are basically it.

Really! Mathematical quantities that haven't physical application isn't useful. But, how I like very much of math, always exist a theoretical interetering for anything.
 

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