Waiting for a Job Offer - Should I Accept Less Due to Age?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the considerations and challenges faced by a job seeker who has received an offer for a technical sales position but is concerned about the compensation being influenced by their age and current salary. Participants explore the implications of the job's responsibilities, the potential for international work, and the negotiation dynamics with the employer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the job offer is for an international technical sales position or if it is a domestic role that may lead to international opportunities, suggesting that the willingness to work overseas could affect the hiring process.
  • Another participant notes that the company may have flexibility in salary offers based on their profit margins and the perceived worth of the candidate, making it difficult for the job seeker to estimate a fair salary.
  • Concerns are raised about how the job seeker's current salary might influence the company's offer, with examples given of how outside income can impact salary negotiations.
  • There is discussion about the company's intentions regarding long-term employment and whether they view the candidate as a potential long-term asset or merely a temporary hire.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of having data to support salary expectations and acknowledges the unpredictability of negotiations with HR departments.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences of being underpaid due to salary structures based on years of experience rather than performance, expressing a preference for compensation based on merit rather than age or tenure.
  • The job seeker expresses a desire for a competitive salary that reflects the responsibilities of the position, while also being cautious about revealing their salary expectations too early in the negotiation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that salary negotiations can be complex and influenced by various factors, including age, experience, and company expectations. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to take in this specific situation, and multiple viewpoints on negotiation strategies and salary expectations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the job's actual responsibilities, the impact of the candidate's current salary on the offer, and the potential for the position to evolve based on the company's needs. There are also unresolved questions about the candidate's long-term prospects within the company.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for job seekers navigating salary negotiations, particularly those concerned about how their age and current compensation might affect job offers in competitive fields.

  • #61
Sounds like maybe they have no idea what they need and are attracted to anything shiny. Maybe they lied to you out of their own interests (maybe out of fear that you'd get enraged), but I always see lame excuses like that simple cowardice that really bothers me. How hard is it to tell somebody the truth, especially someone that you'll probably never see again?

I don't want to sound like sour grapes, and my previous post was still enthusiastic, but I'm not a fan of operating that way. I'm always honest and up front and expect to be treated the same.
 
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  • #62
FlexGunship said:
Made him an offer, and he refused.
Sounds like they lowballed him. So they would have lowballed you too, and it would have had nothing to do with your age.

BTW, I wouldn't trust a recruiter's explanation as far as I could throw it. They are not in he business of being candid when it comes to talking about their clients.
 
  • #63
Sounds like that company has a small budget and no idea of where they're going much less how to get there. IMO, you're better off not getting sucked into a company like that. With your skills, a "real" job will come along.
 
  • #64
DaveC426913 said:
Sounds like they lowballed him. So they would have lowballed you too, and it would have had nothing to do with your age.

BTW, I wouldn't trust a recruiter's explanation as far as I could throw it. They are not in he business of being candid when it comes to talking about their clients.
So true, on both counts. Recruiters are paid to whisper in your ear, and the real payoff comes when you sign up with their client. If you are a viable candidate for any job that they have pending, they will never give you bad news, since you are a potential payday for them, and they need to keep you on the hook.

If you are a great candidate for a well-paying job, recruiters will hunt you down. If you are a rising star in a new position, they will hound you, trying to lure you out of that position into another one. I gave up a position (well-paying, but dead-end) at one company to jump to a more responsible position at another company at twice the salary, only to find a year later that my new employer had already been "in play" and was sold to their most capable competitor. The experience was an eye-opener. It made free-lance consulting look like a walk in the park. It wasn't, but at least I was in control of my own destiny.
 
  • #65
S_Happens said:
Sounds like maybe they have no idea what they need and are attracted to anything shiny.

I think S_Happens nailed it. So often, HR depts of smaller firms are just casting in the wind.
 

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