What exactly would the lawsuit be for?
Nah. In my experience, a job interview is as much an opportunity for an employer to impress the interviewee with their org as it is vice versa. They want to tell you about their people and who they're hiring.
Well, this was during our one-on-one. He was explaining his history with the company and the problems they've had finding high-value personnel. Specifically, the job I applied for was originally supposed to be VP of Engineering (or so I gathered; he danced around it a bit), and the president was telling me about the various people be pursued for the job who ultimately declined (mostly because of the rocky economic climate, people hold on to the jobs they have now). Then he also told me a bit about his attempts to hold interviews to fill the spot, but their recruiter was really just pulling in the wrong folks.Doesn't this seem wrong/odd to you?
Well, the problem is that I'm not 100% sure what I'm interviewing for. They keep asking me questions: "would you do this?" "would you go here?" "how would you handle this?" "we recently did this, and this happened; what went wrong?" Et cetera.In that vein, I'm with you, FGS. One technique is to ascertain an absolute min and max realistic range, the give the middle half to them and put the question to them:
Absolute Minimum: $30,000
Lower Middle: $50,000
Upper Middle: $70,000
Realistic Maximum: $90,000
When they ask you about your salary expectations, tell them "I think somewhere between $50k and $70k is appropriate, depending on the demands on my services to you. What do you think is a good figure within that range?" If they counter at $55, counter at a mirrored upper point $65. On the other hand, if you know for certain you're a hot item, counter with a competitive upper point of $67.5.
Just being able to intelligently and confidently dicker the salary only further indicates to them you've got the savvy they desire in an employee.
Good luck! Please keep us posted.
Oh, and to clarify, no one mentioned ANY names.For the same position? Unless they already work there, nothing should be shared about someone that doesn't work for them, IMO.
Perhaps it's because I worked for a Fortune 50 company, HR would not permit such a thing in an interview with a potential employee. Confidentiality and professionalism was essential.
Well, one of the things that intrigued them is that I've taken on much bigger projects than their company as a whole has. So they see some technical expertise and guidance that I might be able to bring to the company. That's why I think they're hesitant to just give me a "sales" job.So it seems like they are trying to develop a new position and as such don't have a job description or pay range? What about the original job? Couldn't you take that and then when you get familiar with how things work within that company, be given the new position? By then they should have an idea of what the job is.
I cannot tell you how many times my job completely changed within the same company. Of course they sent me to school each time to learn the "new stuff", it's actually what I liked so much about working for a bleeding edge company, no way you can get stuck in a boring job.
Sounds to me like they are looking to you for guidance and leadership.Well, one of the things that intrigued them is that I've taken on much bigger projects than their company as a whole has.
Well, I kind of did. After interviews, I send an e-mail thanking each person in attendance for their time and include something a little personal ("hope that thing with such-and-such works out for you").Sounds to me like they are looking to you for guidance and leadership.
Why don't you take the bull by the horns? Tell them what they need, how you can fulfill it, and what paltry sum you'll charge them to take their company to the next level? It's not a salary; it's an investment with an ROI!
[The recruiter] keeps trying to get me to give him a salary figure. I've tried to explain to him that things seem to be evolving in new directions. Is the job title still going to be "regional sales manager?" [Recruiter] thinks so, but I've gotten a slightly different impression, especially after our one-on-one yesterday.
Just to be clear, I'm willing to take on as much responsibility as you care to entrust to me. I'm willing to make [company] my company and its success my job. I have exactly what you're looking for. I have a few ideas for new applications of your equipment, and I'd love to brainstorm with you engineers. I have this incredible gut feeling that you've got something a lot of people are looking for and we just need to find a way to get them connected with [company] and get them educated.
There are two ways to be heard in a conversation, [president]: you can speak the loudest, or you can have the most interesting things to say.
[Company] has some very interesting things to say.
Hope to hear from you soon,
In a nutshell I agree. From what you've written on this thread they are definitely interested in you, forget what the recruiter says. They want you, and they want you for as little as possible. You've apparently exceeded their expectations and I doubt that they want to see you go.Why don't you take the bull by the horns? Tell them what they need, how you can fulfill it, and what paltry sum you'll charge them to take their company to the next level? It's not a salary; it's an investment with an ROI!
In the second interview did you feel confident enough to refer to yourself as FlexGunship?Still nothing! I'm starting to think I really biffed the second interview or something.
EDIT: Or maybe he found this thread, and then searched for other posts by me and discovered my dark side...
Oh, sure. I also kicked over a garbage can and asked if he was "ready to rock."In the second interview did you feel confident enough to refer to yourself as FlexGunship?
Always gotten the job during the first interview, followed up by a formal written offer letter.UPDATE:
So, I talked to one of my references and he indicated (in his words) that they were "high on me." And he was fairly certain that I would be getting an offer from them.
Well, it's been two and a half days. I'm used to getting an offer immediately, how long have people had to wait?