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inderlover
Socialism was not big mistake in popular countries like china , USSR.
Are you agree with this ?
Are you agree with this ?
Was Socialism Successful in China and the USSR?
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Discussion Overview
The discussion centers around the success or failure of socialism in China and the USSR, exploring various perspectives on its implementation and impact. Participants engage in a debate that touches on historical, ideological, and personal experiences related to socialism as a political and economic system.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants argue that socialism was not a mistake in China and the USSR, suggesting that its implementation was flawed rather than the ideology itself.
- Others contend that socialism is a flawed ideal that does not align with human nature, asserting that it fails to allocate resources effectively and diminishes productivity.
- A participant notes that while socialism was poorly implemented, it has not been fully realized, implying that a true socialist model has yet to be tried.
- Concerns are raised about the historical consequences of socialism in these countries, with references to crimes against humanity and significant loss of life under leaders like Stalin and Mao.
- Some participants express skepticism about the overall success of socialism, citing personal anecdotes and historical critiques, including a quote from Putin regarding the Soviet Union.
- There is a suggestion that socialism may work in moderation, alongside right-wing politics, indicating a more nuanced view of political ideologies.
- One participant mentions that in the majority of socialist countries, socialism has been successful, contrasting the experiences of China and the USSR with other nations.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally express disagreement regarding the success of socialism in China and the USSR, with multiple competing views presented. There is no consensus on whether socialism itself is inherently flawed or if the failures were due to its implementation.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference historical events and personal experiences, but the discussion lacks a unified framework for evaluating the claims made about socialism's effectiveness or failures. The debate remains unresolved with various perspectives on the topic.
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No, I do not agree with that.
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inderlover
anybody can explain briefly
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Because it was bad.
If you want to get an argument beyond that, then you should argue for your own view.
If you want to get an argument beyond that, then you should argue for your own view.
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Socialism a flawed ideal that does not align with human nature.
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Sounds like a homework question to me...
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inderlover said:
Yes, because they tried to implement a socialist model and failed miserably, both in implementing what is a socialist model and getting a model that was pseudo socialist to work. What would have happened had they actually implemented a socialist model is a matter of conjecture, since it's never really been tried. Closest you'd get is Cuba I think.
That said it works rather well in moderation, same can be said of right wing politics, which is why I'm a either or neither man. Both are good concepts in moderation.
If it is a homework question then google is your friend. There's about 8 billion tonnes of stuff about this sort of thing on wiki alone.
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Certainly the way it was implemented was a big mistake - or rather a crime against humanity. Socialism or communism were never realized because a small minority of folks hijacked the system and simply replaced on older imperial/totalitarian system with a new one. The Russian Communist Party and leader (e.g. Stalin) simply replaced the old Imperial system, and while the lives of some were improved, the lives of many were not and millions died (Stalin's purges). Similarly in China, Mao and the Chinese Communist Party simply replaced the Emperor and older Imperial system, and again millions perished.inderlover said:
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Just ask the people who went through it. They call it seventy years on the road to nowhere. Putin said "Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain." Do you want it back?
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jimmysnyder said:
Hehe preaching to the converted, there.
I think everyone agrees Russia and China's socialism were a disaster for its people.- #11
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inderlover said:
I think the answer your teacher is looking for is "if they didn't try communism, we would still wonder whether or not it works"
In the other 99% of socialist countries, it has worked.
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Socialism is a mistake. It is terrible at allocating resources and atrophies productivity.
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