Was the direction of oceanic currents changed during the ice age?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether the direction of oceanic currents changed during the ice age, specifically focusing on long-term changes rather than short-term disturbances associated with glacial melting. Participants explore the implications of temperature changes and the exposure of continental shelves on oceanic current patterns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the potential long-term changes in oceanic currents during the ice age, emphasizing that they are not interested in short-term disturbances.
  • One participant highlights the Younger Dryas as a significant cold event, suggesting that it involved a temporary diversion of cold meltwaters affecting thermohaline circulation, although this is framed as a leading hypothesis rather than a settled fact.
  • A later reply questions the relevance of the Younger Dryas to the original inquiry, noting that it is a short-term event that does not align with the long-term focus of the discussion.
  • Another participant references an abstract comparing the last and penultimate deglaciations, suggesting that the differences in ice sheet retreat rates may explain the absence of a Younger Dryas-like event during the earlier period.
  • Some participants clarify that the focus should remain on the last ice age (T-I) rather than the Younger Dryas or other short-term events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the relevance of short-term events like the Younger Dryas to the discussion of long-term changes in oceanic currents during the ice age.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of "short-term" and "long-term," as well as the specific conditions under which oceanic currents may have changed. The discussion also references complex interactions between ice sheet dynamics and oceanic circulation without resolving these complexities.

Czcibor
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Yes, curious about that.
(No, I'm NOT asking about some short term disturbances when glaciers were melting, but whether with lower temperature and part of continental shelf above water caused the currents to change their direction)
 
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Czcibor said:
Yes, curious about that.
(No, I'm NOT asking about some short term disturbances when glaciers were melting, but whether with lower temperature and part of continental shelf above water caused the currents to change their direction)
Why aren't you asking about those short term disturbances? That is the leading hypothesis of the cause of the Younger Dryas, a ~1000 year long interval at the end of the last glaciation when the Earth got very, very cold. This hypothesis claims that a temporary diversion of the cold meltwaters of Lake Agassiz to the St. Lawrence Seaway shut down the thermohaline circulation.
 
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D H said:
Why aren't you asking about those short term disturbances? That is the leading hypothesis of the cause of the Younger Dryas, a ~1000 year long interval at the end of the last glaciation when the Earth got very, very cold. This hypothesis claims that a temporary diversion of the cold meltwaters of Lake Agassiz to the St. Lawrence Seaway shut down the thermohaline circulation.

Because I forgot that 1000 years counts here as short term? ;)
 
Czcibor said:
Yes, curious about that.
(No, I'm NOT asking about some short term disturbances when glaciers were melting, but whether with lower temperature and part of continental shelf above water caused the currents to change their direction)
Back to your question,

Abstract
The Younger Dryas cold event is a relatively unique feature of the last deglaciation when compared to previous deglaciations, suggesting a unique trigger rather than the commonly held forcing mechanism of North American freshwater routing to the North Atlantic. Here, I compare the last (T-I) and penultimate (T-II) deglaciations and provide new support for the argument that the lack of a Younger Dryas-like event during T-II is due to the rapidity of Northern Hemisphere ice sheet retreat under greater boreal summer insolation forcing. Faster ice retreat suppressed Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) until near the end of T-II, while during T-I AMOC increased relatively early. During T-I, the eastward routing of freshwater that caused the Younger Dryas happened after AMOC resumption, whereas during T-II this routing occurred prior to the resumption of AMOC. Thus the increased flux of freshwater to the North Atlantic during T-II had little effect on AMOC, explaining the lack of a Younger Dryas-like climate oscillation during this deglaciation.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379108000504
 
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He's not asking about the Younger Dryas. That's a short term event in which Czcibor is not interested.
 
I'm not posting about the Younger Dryas. Unfortunately it's only the abstract, but it discusses the differences between the T-I (last ice age) and T-II (previous ice age). Just going by the thread title, perhaps he's only wanting T-I information.
 
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D H. EVO:

Thanks!

(I thought more about long term difference, but this reminder about length of Dryas was also interesting)
 
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