Watch 8th Star Trek Movie - Champagne Bottle Impact

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the scenario presented in the 8th Star Trek movie where a champagne bottle impacts a newly made starship in a vacuum. Participants explore whether the pressure inside the bottle would be sufficient to pop the cork out in a vacuum environment, considering various physical principles and assumptions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the cork would pop out in a vacuum, suggesting that the pressure inside the bottle might not be enough to overcome the friction holding the cork in place.
  • Another participant explains that the force keeping the cork in place is due to the difference in pressure and friction, arguing that in a vacuum, the external pressure is removed but the internal pressure does not become infinite.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that if the champagne is cooled to outer space temperatures, it may affect the internal pressure and the cork's behavior.
  • Some participants note that champagne bottles typically have wired corks to prevent popping in normal air conditions, raising questions about the scenario's assumptions.
  • One participant challenges the reasoning that the bubbles in champagne imply air pressure is not a significant factor, seeking clarification on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of air pressure and friction in holding the cork in place, with no consensus reached on whether the cork would pop in a vacuum.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the temperature of the champagne and the specific conditions of the vacuum are not fully explored, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

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Just watch the 8th star treck movie,and at the beginning a champagne bottle smashes into the side of a newly made neterprise.

what I am wondering is,as its in a vacuum would the pressure inside the bottle pop the cork out,or is the cork in tightly enough that it wouldn't pop? (lets say the little metal holder has been taken off first)
 
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The force holding a cork in a bottle is the difference between the pressure outside the bottle and the air pressure intside, times the area of the cork, plus the friction force of cork against bottle. If you remove all air pressure outside (vacuum) you subtract that force but the inside force does not become infinite. It might still be less than the friction force of cork agains bottle. If fact, the fact that champagne bubbles fiercely after the cork has been removed implies that air pressure plays a very small part in that equation. It is really the friction of cork against bottle that holds the cork in place to begin with, not air pressure.
 


If the champagne has been cooled to outerspace temperature, then I don't think so. (Ideal Gas Law approximation)
 


Don't real bottles wire in the cork now, so it doesn't pop in ordinary air?
 


JDługosz said:
Don't real bottles wire in the cork now, so it doesn't pop in ordinary air?

as i mentioned,for the sake of the idea,we would remove the wire holder!
 


HallsofIvy said:
. If fact, the fact that champagne bubbles fiercely after the cork has been removed implies that air pressure plays a very small part in that equation. It is really the friction of cork against bottle that holds the cork in place to begin with, not air pressure.

why would the bubbles imply that air pressure was not a major factor?
 

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