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The discussion revolves around the challenges of studying electrodynamics using Griffiths' textbook, particularly focusing on the difficulties encountered with mathematical concepts and problem-solving. Participants explore the effectiveness of supplementing textbook learning with video lectures and the prerequisites necessary for understanding the material.

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  • Some participants express that the difficulty in understanding Griffiths may stem from insufficient mathematical background, particularly in multivariable calculus and vector calculus.
  • There are differing opinions on whether watching video lectures is beneficial or if it detracts from independent learning; some suggest that lectures can be a useful supplement if they are at the appropriate level.
  • One participant notes that struggling with challenging material is a common experience and suggests that taking breaks can help with understanding over time.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of having a solid foundation in introductory physics and calculus before tackling Griffiths, citing prerequisites such as Halliday/Resnick and additional math courses.
  • Recommendations for supplementary resources include specific textbooks and online lectures, such as those by Walter Lewin at MIT.
  • One participant critiques Griffiths' approach, suggesting that it may lack sufficient mathematical rigor and that other textbooks might provide a more comprehensive understanding.

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Participants generally agree that a strong mathematical foundation is necessary for studying electrodynamics, but there is no consensus on the best approach to learning, whether through independent study of the textbook or by incorporating video lectures.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for additional mathematical methods resources, such as Boas' Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences, and highlight the transition from introductory to upper-level physics as particularly challenging due to the required mathematical techniques.

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I recently started studying electrodynamics from Griffiths and found It rather challenging.

I was able to finish the first chapter on basic math, Although my concepts on things like greens/stokes theorem were quite shaky as I am finding it rather difficult to follow the derivation of said theorems and when I moved on to electrostatics I was able to understand Coulomb's law but right after that I started facing difficulty in the examples&problems on the application of gauss law.
I feel I am unable to solve those examples(I find them quite challenging even after reading the solutions) and exercises because my concepts are pretty shaky even after spending quite some time on the topics.

I am not taking any classes on the subject(maybe that's why I am finding the book challenging?) and my sole source of information is the book and the internet. I feel maybe watching lectures on said topics might be beneficial but I have also heard that directly watching someone explain everything to you kills the imagination and doesn't really make you better at the subject as to learning the concept on your own. I would like to know if this is true and whether slogging through the book will be the better option(and if video lectures are recommended I would love some recommendations on electrodynamics lectures/videos that cover the contents of Griffiths)
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
slogging through the book will be the better option

That is a bad idea. If you don't have the mathematical background you won't get anywhere.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
That is a bad idea. If you don't have the mathematical background you won't get anywhere.
the first chapter of the book isn't enough?(also it isn't the math that I find difficult when I solve problems)
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
the first chapter of the book isn't enough?
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
I am finding it rather difficult

It would seem not.
 
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
I recently started studying electrodynamics from Griffiths and found It rather challenging.

I was able to finish the first chapter on basic math, Although my concepts on things like greens/stokes theorem were quite shaky as I am finding it rather difficult to follow the derivation of said theorems and when I moved on to electrostatics I was able to understand Coulomb's law but right after that I started facing difficulty in the examples&problems on the application of gauss law.
I feel I am unable to solve those examples(I find them quite challenging even after reading the solutions) and exercises because my concepts are pretty shaky even after spending quite some time on the topics.

I am not taking any classes on the subject(maybe that's why I am finding the book challenging?) and my sole source of information is the book and the internet. I feel maybe watching lectures on said topics might be beneficial but I have also heard that directly watching someone explain everything to you kills the imagination and doesn't really make you better at the subject as to learning the concept on your own. I would like to know if this is true and whether slogging through the book will be the better option(and if video lectures are recommended I would love some recommendations on electrodynamics lectures/videos that cover the contents of Griffiths)
If you find bona fide online lectures at the right level they are a useful supplement to book learning. You could check MIT for undergraduate level EM, for example.

I wouldn't be too worried about finding something too difficult first time. You might come back in six months or a year with more knowledge and maturity and make a lot more progress. It's a good sign that you recognise you are struggling. That's far better than simply not noticing that you are not fully understanding the material - which seems to be quite common.

If something is too hard it's also good to take a break from it. Your brain does lots of processing in the background. Sometimes, you come back to a subject and your brain has sorted a lot of stuff out in the meantime. Even though you weren't actively studying it.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
I am not taking any classes on the subject(maybe that's why I am finding the book challenging?)
Have you previously studied introductory physics (including electromagnetism) at the level of e.g. Halliday/Resnick/Walker's Fundamentals of Physics? In the US at least, E&M courses that use Griffiths generally have as prerequisites, such an introductory course, and three semesters of calculus, including vector calculus. The first chapter of Griffiths is mainly intended as a review and augmentation of previously-studied math.
 
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jtbell said:
Have you previously studied introductory physics (including electromagnetism) at the level of e.g. Halliday/Resnick/Walker's Fundamentals of Physics? In the US at least, E&M courses that use Griffiths generally have as prerequisites, such an introductory course, and three semesters of calculus, including vector calculus. The first chapter of Griffiths is mainly intended as a review and augmentation of previously-studied math.
I have done electrostatics, gauss law and electric potential from Halliday Wresnik but it does not contain multivariable/vector calc and as for calculus I thought the first chapter of Griffiths would be enough I tried a few sources but usually got really lost in the proofs and the derivations(formally at school we have been taught single variable calculus in depth hence I felt it shouldn't be too difficult to teach myself vector calc).
 
You got to have the math background, otherwise you'll get nowhere. For Griffiths, if you should learn multivariable calculus, vector calculus, and some differential equations at the least.

I bought Jackson Electrodynamics as one of my first textbooks when I first got into physics. I didn't realize how much math was necessary, I was blown away when I first looked into it.
 
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For upper division physics in general you'll want to first go through introductory physics with calculus and a math methods book at least on the level of Boas' Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences, a book to which Griffiths refers in Introduction to Electrodynamics.
 
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For what it is worth, I always felt there are two or three major "transitions" in studying physics. One of the hardest, perhaps the hardest, transition is going from lower undergraduate, Resnick and Halliday, Electrodynamics, to upper undergraduate, Griffith, or Reitz/Milford, or Marion, Electrodynamics. The mathematical techniques are the reason. You may have to solve some problems in Schaum's outlines in some chapters where vectors and green's/stokes equation are discussed. One thing is for sure, you are not alone. I think every physicist finds this transition a hard one.

Boas is a good textbook for mathematical methods. Learning mathematical physics will pay dividends across all of your courses in physics.

I know Griffith is popular, but I find his style too glib. He sometimes tries to avoid mathematics in favor of physical reasoning. This is not bad in itself, but I think it might be more instructive to show the full comprehensive way, and then show how the student could obtain the same result in an easier manner with the appropriate justifications. I think his manner encourages the student to look for solutions as a grab bag of tricks rather than the development of techniques. As long as you do not necessarily need to use this textbooks for your coursework, you might be better served with another textbook, like Reitz/Milford, Corson/Lorrain, Schwartz, Wangsness, maybe a few others.
 
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