Water as a dielectric. Is this video a good demonstration?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the demonstration of water as a dielectric, highlighting that a ziplock bag filled with water can increase the capacitance of a capacitor by a factor of 100. The dielectric constant of water at room temperature is approximately 80, significantly higher than that of air, which is 1. The conversation also touches on the challenges of calculating the breakdown voltage of water due to electrolysis effects in capacitors, suggesting that high purity water serves as an effective insulator with a high breakdown voltage, particularly in high power applications.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of dielectric materials and their properties
  • Familiarity with capacitance and how it is measured
  • Knowledge of electrolysis and its effects on electrical components
  • Basic principles of high voltage applications in electronics
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the dielectric properties of various liquids, focusing on water
  • Learn about the effects of electrolysis on capacitors and their performance
  • Investigate the breakdown voltage of different types of water, including high purity water
  • Explore applications of water as a coolant in high power electronics
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in physics and electrical engineering, particularly those interested in dielectric materials, capacitor design, and high voltage systems.

HelloCthulhu
Messages
150
Reaction score
3
I found, at least in my uneducated opinion, a very good demonstration of water as a dielectric. I understand that putting water in a bag will change the dielectric constant of the water in it somewhat, but I think the capacitance meter at least makes water's value as a dielectric visually quantifiable. In the video, the ziplock bag of water increases the capacitance of the capacitor by a factor of 100.



Over a week ago, I posted a homework question I theorized regarding the breakdown voltage of water. But due to electrolysis in the capacitor, the calculations were deemed inconclusive. Could I use this scenario as a basis for hypothesizing the behavior of water as a dielectric? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...air-and-water-capacitors.939151/#post-5940147
 
Chemistry news on Phys.org
HelloCthulhu said:
Could I use this scenario as a basis for hypothesizing the behavior of water as a dielectric?
Why would you think otherwise? As ygggdrasil said, and as the guy in the video said, water has a dialectic constant of about 80 and air is 1.
 
phinds said:
Why would you think otherwise? As ygggdrasil said, and as the guy in the video said, water has a dialectic constant of about 80 and air is 1.

Just making sure! I'll repost the equations I was working on in the chem homework thread. I hope I get it right this time.
 
HelloCthulhu said:
regarding the breakdown voltage of water.
High purity water is a pretty good insulator with a high breakdown voltage. High power Radio Valves have water cooled Anodes and they have EHT voltages of tens of kV.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: HelloCthulhu

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 152 ·
6
Replies
152
Views
11K