Water bell; got answer but shape's weird?

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This discussion revolves around a problem involving the geometry of water jets and the shape of the envelope formed by these jets, specifically in the context of finding the smallest bowl to contain the water being sprayed from a water spray head.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the shape of the envelope formed by the water jets and questions the use of Lagrange multipliers in the solution. Other participants clarify the method used to find the envelope and discuss the physical setup of the water spray head.

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The discussion is exploring different interpretations of the problem setup, particularly regarding the shape of the water spray head and how it affects the resulting envelope. Some participants have provided clarifications and alternative perspectives, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are discussing assumptions about the physical configuration of the water spray head, including its shape and position relative to the water surface, which may influence the understanding of the problem.

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This question is about finding the smallest bowl to contain all the water being spurt out of a water spray head.


They used the lagrange multipliers to solve it which I understand, but the the envelope doesn't look like a parabola to me??

Isn't the envelope supposed to be a curve that is parallel to a certain point on every member of a family curve?



The Attempt at a Solution



I don't even see how it's possible to draw a curve that's tangential to all water-jet curves..
 

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They did not use Lagrange multipliers. An envelope of a family of curves F(x, y, p) = 0, where p is parameter, is obtained by [itex]\frac {\partial F} {\partial p} = 0[/itex], which is what they do.
 
Your picture is very strange. You seem to have water coming from a head that is convex downward and raised above the surface of the water. The situation described in the post has a hemispherical (convex upward) head at the level of the surface of the water.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your picture is very strange. You seem to have water coming from a head that is convex downward and raised above the surface of the water. The situation described in the post has a hemispherical (convex upward) head at the level of the surface of the water.

LOL i thought it was the bottom hemisphere. That was the first picture that came to my mind when i thought of a tap and a basin (come on, who builts a tap that spurts upwars? :P)


I finally see it, thank you!


I seem to lack the imagination.
 
unscientific said:
LOL i thought it was the bottom hemisphere. That was the first picture that came to my mind when i thought of a tap and a basin (come on, who builts a tap that spurts upwars? :P)


I finally see it, thank you!


I seem to lack the imagination.


Well, who builds a water feature with a spray head at water level, pointing down?

RGV
 
Think of it not as a "tap" but as a fountain in an outdoor pool.

(But they are making some very peculiar bathroom fixtures now. I recently had my bathroom remodeled. I looked at some bathroom sinks that are acryic hemispheres sitting on top the counter. I stared at them for a while, shook my head, and walked on.)
 

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