Water Dissociation: H+ & OH- Ions Upon Ionic Compound Addition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dissociation of water molecules into hydrogen (H+) and hydroxide (OH-) ions upon the addition of ionic compounds, specifically using copper sulfate as an example. Participants explore the mechanisms behind water dissociation, the behavior of ionic compounds in water, and the implications for electrolysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that pure water consists solely of water molecules without free-moving ions, and that the addition of ionic compounds leads to the production of H+ and OH- ions.
  • Others challenge this view by referencing the concept of water autodissociation, suggesting that the initial claim is incorrect.
  • A participant questions why certain ionic and covalent compounds only dissociate in the presence of water, seeking to understand the unique properties of water that facilitate this process.
  • Another participant proposes that water's high dipole moment and dielectric constant contribute to the solvation of ions, which may help neutralize their charges and ease their separation.
  • A separate inquiry is made regarding the electrolysis of water, specifically how H+ ions contribute to hydrogen gas production at the cathode and what happens to the OH- ions in the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dissociation of water and the behavior of ionic compounds, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of dissociation and solvation, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms of electrolysis and the fate of OH- ions.

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Pure water is made up of water molecules, no free moving ions. However, if you add an ionic compound, say copper sulfate into water, Cu2+ and SO42- will be produced, so will H+ and OH- ions.

Why will water molecules dissociate into hydrogen and hydroxide ions when an ionic compound is added? Why will the ionic compounds dissociate in water?
 
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Kyoma said:
Pure water is made up of water molecules, no free moving ions. However, if you add an ionic compound, say copper sulfate into water, Cu2+ and SO42- will be produced, so will H+ and OH- ions.

That's incorrect, see water autodissociation.
 
O.o

Then why will some ionic compounds (or covalent compounds) dissociate only in the presence of water? What makes water so special?
 
High dipole moment and high dielectric constant, ions are solvated which to some extent neutralizes their charges and makes separation easier.
 
Hi,

As we know that in the electrolysis of water we get oxygen and hydrogen, but how, water dissosites as H+ and HO- , so H+ would go to the cathode and become H2(gas) but what would become of the OH- ion? how it will become O2?.
 

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