Water powered funicular with equal masses?

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The discussion revolves around a proposed water-powered funicular system that is claimed to operate effectively even when both cars have equal masses. Participants explore the feasibility of this system, referencing a paper that outlines the design and its theoretical underpinnings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a paper proposing a modified funicular system that could function with equal masses, questioning its practical viability.
  • Another participant suggests that while the system may start with equal masses, it would not complete the journey without additional energy input due to friction.
  • A different participant agrees that the funicular can start with equal masses but emphasizes the role of friction and implies that the system may be designed to enhance speed rather than achieve perpetual motion.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of claims made by the authors regarding the system's ability to complete its route with equal masses, with skepticism about the implications of "respected" physicists endorsing such ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the funicular operating with equal masses, with some supporting the idea and others expressing skepticism about its practical implementation and the claims made in the paper.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of friction and the potential need for energy input, highlighting that the system's performance may depend on various factors, including the design and operational conditions.

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Water powered funicular with equal masses?
I found a paper (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312123871_Introducing_a_Modified_Water_Powered_Funicular_Technology_and_its_Prospective_In_Nepal) where the authors design a funicular system powered by water but with a modification from traditional systems where apparently the funicular would work even if both "cars" or wagons (the one at the top and the one at the bottom) have the same mass.

Apparently, as the paper says, the physics was revised by Uday Raj Khanal which is a respected physicist in the authors' native country. But even then, could this funicular be built? Could it work?
 
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Sure, I don't see a problem - it just oscillates. In practice though, the cars will be different masses, otherwise there'd be no point to it.
 
The funicular will start just fine, with equal masses. There's still friction : it won't complete the journey without some energy input. It's just a way of making it faster.
 
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hmmm27 said:
The funicular will start just fine, with equal masses. There's still friction : it won't complete the journey without some energy input. It's just a way of making it faster.
But the authors seem to imply that even with the same mass, the whole route of the funicular could be completed, right?
 
Suekdccia said:
But the authors seem to imply that even with the same mass, the whole route of the funicular could be completed, right?
I didn't give the paper more than a cursory glance, but I seriously doubt anybody who's "respected" would claim that.

The system probably works best if the loads are equal, but it isn't the dreaded "perpetual motion" by any stretch of the imagination : in fact there's a little bit more friction involved because of the longer tracks (mitigated - perhaps completely - by less regeneration involved in ac/decelerating the cars).

Maybe, cut and paste the section you have problems with ?
 
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