Wave function for a potential barrier

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the wave function behavior in a one-dimensional potential barrier scenario, specifically examining the implications of wave propagation direction (left to right versus right to left) and the resulting wave functions. The context includes theoretical considerations related to the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the properties of scattering states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the wave function obtained from left to right propagation differs from that obtained from right to left propagation.
  • Another participant suggests that the stationary solution assumes a time dependence and notes the reflection of waves at potential steps, leading to different boundary conditions for each propagation direction.
  • A participant mentions considering a periodic case where both incoming and outgoing wave packets exist, leading to the observation that changing the wave vector results in the same coefficients, implying identical wave functions for both propagation directions.
  • It is noted that for scattering states, there exists a degeneracy where two different eigenfunctions correspond to the same eigenvalue due to symmetry, but the relationship between these wave functions remains unclear.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the wave functions for +k and -k are the same or different, indicating potential mistakes in their calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that in general, the wave functions are different and requests the full problem details to provide further insight.
  • The full problem is outlined, detailing the potential regions and periodicity, with a focus on finding the wave function when considering propagation from the right side.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the wave functions for left and right propagation are the same or different, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of wave function behavior in relation to potential barriers and the implications of symmetry in the Schrödinger equation. Specific assumptions about the potential and boundary conditions are critical to the analysis but remain unelaborated.

Joy Prakash Das
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Suppose I have a region from 0 to L. I have a barrier potential V from x1 to x2, such that 0<x1<x2<L. The potential is 0 everywhere. I have obtained the wave-function by considering the propagation from left to right. Now if I consider the propagation from right to left should I get a different wave function?
 
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Yes! I guess you look for the stationary solution (time-independent Schrödinger equation). Then implicitly you assume a time dependence ##\Psi(t,x)=\exp(-\mathrm{i} E t) \psi_E(x)##. For wave packets starting at the left, you have (by assumption!) only an outgoing wave packet at the right and waves going in both directions elsewhere, because at your potential steps the wave gets reflected. Now you can formulate the boundary conditions for the case of a wave packet starting at the right going left yourself!

You have a degeneracy in the 1D SchrEq, because of the symmetry under reflections of momentum: ##x \rightarrow x##, ##p \rightarrow -p##.
 
Thanks vanhees for the reply. I am not considering time dependence. Suppose I am considering a periodic case where L is the period. In that case even the rightmost side will have both incoming and outgoing wave packet. Now the thing is that when I change the wave vector k to -k ,I get another wavefunction but if I solve it I get the same coefficients as in the case of propagation from left to right. This means I get the same wavefunction for both left to right and right to left propagation.
 
Ok, then I need the specific problem. For scattering states (i.e., energy eigenstates to energy eigenvalues in the continuous part of the spectrum) you have this degeneracy, i.e., two different (!) eigenfunctions to the same eigenvalue, which is due to the left-right-moving symmetry.

A very thorough discussion of the 1d Schrödinger equation can be found in Messiah's textbook (there's a cheap Dover edition in 1 volume).
 
That was exactly my question. For same eigenvalue E, you have two eigenfunctions, one for +k(moving right) and the other for -k(moving left). I just wanted to know whether these two wavefunctions will be the same or different. I tried solving it, but realized that the wavefunction comes out to be the same. I might have done some mistakes.
 
Hm, in general they are different. To make progress here, I'd need the full problem, i.e., the potential.
 
The full problem is this :
There is a one dimensional potential given by :-
V(x) = 0 for 0< x < x1 (Region i)
= V for x1 < x <x2 (Region ii)
= 0 for x2 < x < L (Region iii)

The potential is periodic, meaning V(x+L) = V(x).
Find the wavefunction of this potential everywhere in space.

I have done it by considering the propagation from left to right. What is I now consider it from right to left. In other words, the wave starts from region iii.
 

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