Wave Function Spherical Coordinates Probabilities

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a wave function expressed in spherical coordinates. The original poster seeks to determine the probability of measuring a specific value of the angular momentum operator L_z.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the form of the wave function and its implications for calculating probabilities related to L_z. There are questions about potential typos in the wave function and the appropriate eigenvalue equations to use. Some participants suggest using spherical harmonics to express the wave function correctly.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the relationship between the wave function and the probabilities associated with measuring L_z. Some participants provide guidance on using spherical harmonics and the normalization of wave functions, while others express uncertainty about the correct approach and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential typo in the wave function, and participants are exploring the implications of this as well as the need for separation of variables. The urgency of preparing for an upcoming test is also noted, indicating a time constraint on the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A system's wave function has the form

[tex]\psi(r, \theta, \phi) = f(t, \theta)cos\phi[/tex]

With what probability will measurement of [tex]L_z[/tex] yield the value m = 1?

Homework Equations



[tex]L_z|\ell, m> = m|\ell, m>[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I feel like there may be a typo, in that that "t" should be "r" in the wave function. Is there a general expression for [tex]\psi_{n,\ell,m}[/tex] that I should know/use?
 
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use the postulate of quantum mechanics. it says when you measure something, you'll get one of its eigenvalues with probabilities equal to the |coefficient|^2 of the corresponding eigenstates.
 
What is the proper eigenvalue equation to use?
 
The one you displayed under "2. Homework Equations "!
 
So the probability L_z will give m=1 comes from:

<Psi | L_z | Psi> = m

Then, the probability of getting 1 is 1^2=1? Likewise, the probability of getting 0 is 0? I'm pretty sure I'm wrong here, can someone please correct me?
 
[tex]<\Psi | L_z | \Psi>[/tex] is the expectation (i.e., average) value of L_z.

The probabilities to find specific values m for L_z follow from writing your wavefunction in the form

[tex]|\Psi>=\sum_m c_m |l,m>[/tex]

as in your special case you only have 1 value of l in the superposition.
In this case the probability to find the value "m" is given by

[tex]P_m=|c_m|^2[/tex]

More generally, you'd write

[tex]|\Psi>=\sum_m \sum_l a_{lm}|l,m>[/tex]

and the probability to find the result "m" would be given by a sum over l:

[tex]P_m=\sum_l |a_{lm}|^2[/tex](And use that the wavefunction should be normalized properly!)
 
Why is there only one value of l in my case? I'm assuming I need to use some separation of variables in order to put the wave function in the appropriate form? I think I'm having a hard time seeing what I'm supposed to do with that wave function that was given to me. And that "t" is throwing me off...
 
Can anybody give me a clue here? I'm preparing for a test tomorrow, so I'd really, really appreciate the help!
 
brooke, use the spherical harmonics, you should have a table of them. Then you rewrite f(t,theta*cos(phi) as a function of them. Then use the fact that L_Z is an eigenoperator on those functions.

"First few spherical harmonics"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_harmonics

Now you study where the phi depandance is on these functions, and you might want to rewrite your cos(phi) to exponentials using eulers formula..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula
 
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So for clarification.

i) the Spherical Harmonics is a complete basis for angular functions, you can express any function dep. on anges as a sum of those sphreical harmonics, compare with Fourier series.

ii) The spherical harmonics is eigenfunctions to L_z operator with eigenvalue m.

iii) You don't need to know the values of L in this problem, just look at the phi dependence of the function you are given and have a look at the spherical harmonics on the page i gave you or in your book. You will find that only two possible spherical harmonics exists.

iv) Rewrite your phi-dependence in terms of exponentials
 

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