Wave Propagation in a Hanging Rope: Time for Reflection and Return

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves wave propagation in a hanging rope, specifically determining the time it takes for a wave to travel to the ceiling, reflect, and return to the lower end after being struck. The subject area includes wave motion and mechanics of materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the wave motion equation and questions the validity of their derived wave speed. Some participants discuss the implications of varying tension along the rope and how it affects wave speed. Others suggest integrating to find the wave speed as a function of position.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the non-constant tension in the rope. Guidance has been offered on how to approach the wave speed as a function of position, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's understanding of wave motion may need to be adjusted due to the varying tension along the rope, which complicates the application of standard wave equations.

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Homework Statement


A uniform rope of length L and negligible stiffness hangs from a solid fixture in the ceiling
The free lower end of the rope is struck sharply at time t=0. What is the time t it takes the resulting wave on the rope to travel to the ceiling, be reflected, and return to the lower end of the rope?

Homework Equations



Equation for wave motion - is it this:
y(t ) = A cos (kt - w),
for some constants k,w.

The Attempt at a Solution


v = sqrt (F/u) = sqrt (mg/ (m/L) ) = sqrt (gL)
this implies that velocity is constant for the wave. I was wondering if this was correct, since it looks suspicious.
From here, I'm not exactly sure where to go - which wave equation should I use to go further (to solve and find out what I want to find out?). Would plugging into the equation I had before, y( t) = A cos(kt-w), be the way to go?
 
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F is not a constant in this case, each part of the rope is beeing stretched differently depending on how close it is to the ceiling
 
In that case, how would I deal with a situation where F is not constant? I have only learned so far how to deal with cases where it is constant.
 
the equation for v is still valid you just have to write F in terms of x (where x is distance from the bottom part of the rope)
 
You'll need to integrate. Find the speed of the wave as a function of position along the rope. (What's the tension as a function of position?)
 

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