Wavefunction Collapse: Measuring Electron Spin

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of measuring an electron's spin on the wavefunction associated with its position. Participants explore the relationship between measurement, wavefunction collapse, and the specifics of different measurement techniques, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that measuring an electron's spin does not necessarily collapse the wavefunction associated with its position.
  • Others argue that the nature of the measurement, such as using a spin operator, may not collapse the spatial components of the wavefunction, but realistic measurements likely will.
  • A specific measurement technique, the Stern–Gerlach experiment, is mentioned as one that collapses both the spin and spatial wavefunctions, although there is debate about how much position information is actually contained in the outcome.
  • Some participants question whether there have been experiments to verify if spin collapse affects position collapse or if the discussion is primarily theoretical.
  • One participant references experiments on entangled pairs that suggest entanglement can survive collapse in different bases, indicating complexity in the relationship between spin and position measurements.
  • Another participant proposes a thought experiment involving Young's double slit experiment with polarizers, suggesting that spin can be collapsed without affecting the visibility of interference patterns.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability to measure position and spin simultaneously without collapsing the position wavefunction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether measuring spin collapses the position wavefunction, with no consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of various measurement techniques.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific measurement setups and the theoretical nature of some arguments, as well as the challenges in experimentally verifying the claims made.

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If you were to measure an electron's spin, for example, will the wavefunction associated with its position also collapse?
 
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Those two ('measurement' and 'collapse') are virtually synonyms.
 
dEdt said:
If you were to measure an electron's spin, for example, will the wavefunction associated with its position also collapse?

That is not a requirement of a measurement (or collapse). In other words, measuring one does not collapse all.
 
You have to be more specific. If your measurement is equivalent to spin operator, it does not collapse the spatial components of the wave function. But any realistic measurement will probably collapse the spatial wave function to something. Really, it depends on how you measure the spin in the first place. Stern–Gerlach, for example, obviously collapses the spatial wave function as well as the spin wave function.
 
K^2 said:
You have to be more specific. If your measurement is equivalent to spin operator, it does not collapse the spatial components of the wave function. But any realistic measurement will probably collapse the spatial wave function to something. Really, it depends on how you measure the spin in the first place. Stern–Gerlach, for example, obviously collapses the spatial wave function as well as the spin wave function.

I would not have thought an S-G outcome would contain much position information.
 
DrChinese said:
I would not have thought an S-G outcome would contain much position information.

I think an S-G device also gives an indication of what path the object took inside the device itself. Wouldn't that collapse the wavefunction?

At any rate, have there been any experiments done to check that say spin collapse doesn't cause position collapse? Or is this based on theoretical arguments?
 
dEdt said:
I think an S-G device also gives an indication of what path the object took inside the device itself. Wouldn't that collapse the wavefunction?

At any rate, have there been any experiments done to check that say spin collapse doesn't cause position collapse? Or is this based on theoretical arguments?

As K^2 says, it depends on the specific setups. Mostly this is based on theoretical considerations as it is quite difficult to actually test. However, there have been actual experiments done on entangled pairs which show that entanglement on one basis can survive collapse on another.

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0406148

Abstract: "We report on the the experimental realization of hyper-entangled two photon states, entangled in polarization and momentum."
 
dEdt said:
At any rate, have there been any experiments done to check that say spin collapse doesn't cause position collapse?
You can make it yourself. Prepare Young's double slit experiment putting polariser at slits (the same polarisation in both of them). Spin gets collapsed, but you still see fringe pattern.
 
DrChinese said:
I would not have thought an S-G outcome would contain much position information.
You are effectively measuring position and use it to determine the spin. You can't really do that without collapsing the position wave function.
 

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