Waves in opposite directions in a wire

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The problem involves two crosswise cosine waves traveling in opposite directions along a wire, with specific parameters such as amplitude, wavelength, and velocity. The task is to draw graphs of the wire at designated times.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of initial conditions for the waves and question the implications of starting angles. There is also a debate about the distinction between graphs of the wire and graphs of the waves, with some suggesting multiple graphing approaches.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying the requirements for the graphs. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the wire and the implications of physical constraints.

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Participants note the potential confusion between the graphs of the wire and the waves, and the importance of considering any additional physical information that may affect the setup.

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Homework Statement


2 crosswise cosine waves of amplitude 2.5 cm and wavelength 5 cm are traveling in opposite directions in a wire with velocity 6 mm/s. draw graphs of the wire at times t=0, 2 and 4 sec.

Homework Equations


Waves propagating to the right: ##y=A\cos 2\pi \left( \frac{x}{\lambda}-\frac{t}{T} \right)##
Waves propagating to the left: ##y=A\cos 2\pi \left( \frac{x}{\lambda}+\frac{t}{T} \right)##

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Isn't it necessary to give the initial conditions at t=0? i mean what was the starting angle of each wave, or is it obvious that they both started with ##\theta=0## but in opposite directions, like in the drawing?
 

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If you are given no other information than what you wrote above, then you can safely treat the wire as infinitely long ... so you are free to place the origin for time and length anywhere you like: it makes no difference to the physics anyway so you may as well make a choice that provides the least work ;)

OTOH: if you have other physical information - i.e. the length of the wire, the presence of a wall, etc - then you have to take that into account when you make your choices: don't just assume something - work it out. i.e. at the wall the amplitude is forced to a specific value.

Note: you have been asked for a graph of the wire, not the waves.
 
I was asked a graph of the shape of the wire, but isn't it the only graph possible? what is a graph of the wire and what is the graph of the waves? aren't they the same thing? i didn't learn anything else but the shape of the waves in a wire
 
You could do a graph of each wave separately or of the superposition of the two waves.
You could also graph properties other than the transverse displacement.
There's lots of graphs you could do - but the wave vs wire thing is a likely confusion.

A particular wave on a wire may be composed of a large number of components - in this case there are two.
 
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