Way to measure density of a solution (beer/wine)

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The discussion focuses on measuring the density of beer and alcohol content using various methods. The recently released Beer Bug utilizes a submerged buoy to track density changes and calculate alcohol by volume (ABV). Traditional methods include using a hydrometer for specific gravity readings before and after fermentation. Alternative suggestions include using a Brixometer or refractometer for sugar content measurement, and exploring electrical capacitance techniques to measure density while addressing potential issues with CO2 bubbles.

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  • Understanding of specific gravity and its role in fermentation
  • Familiarity with hydrometers and their operation
  • Knowledge of Brixometers and refractometers for sugar measurement
  • Basic principles of electrical capacitance in fluid measurement
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This is a bit of a random project I am looking into. Recently a product was released called the beer bug. It measures the density of beer by tracking the weight of a submerged buoy. They calculate change in density based on changed in weight and then calculate % alcohol (ABV) from that.

Normally specific gravity readings are taken before and after fermentation with a hydrometer. As the sugar is consumed by the yeast it changes the density. This is how you can obtain ABV.

Both of these methods seem clunky and difficult to get a digital reading that you could track on an LED screen. Can anyone think of another way to measure density? Is there a way to measure alcohol content or sugar concentration directly?

Thanks
Pat
 
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Pat8you said:
a way to measure alcohol content or sugar concentration directly?
Assays based on physical properties are often used when chemical methods are "awkward."
Pat8you said:
another way to measure density?
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q="densimeter"
You might look at refractive index.
 
Pat8you said:
This is a bit of a random project I am looking into. Recently a product was released called the beer bug. It measures the density of beer by tracking the weight of a submerged buoy. They calculate change in density based on changed in weight and then calculate % alcohol (ABV) from that.

Normally specific gravity readings are taken before and after fermentation with a hydrometer. As the sugar is consumed by the yeast it changes the density. This is how you can obtain ABV.

Both of these methods seem clunky and difficult to get a digital reading that you could track on an LED screen. Can anyone think of another way to measure density? Is there a way to measure alcohol content or sugar concentration directly?

Thanks
Pat
In an industrial situation, you would use a Brixometer or refractometer to measure sugar content:

http://www.atago.net/USA/products.html

The plain old analog hydrometer is cheap and effective. You can find digital hydrometers, but some of these devices are quite expensive:

http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/sbs/sbs-3500.htm
 
I'd be a little concerned that this "beer bug" might have a problem with CO2 bubbles sticking to it.
Perhaps an automotive flex-fuel sensor with a lab-type peristaltic (or aquarium) pump could be adapted:

http://www.haltech.com/flex-fuel-sensor-explained/
 
You might consider the electrical capacitance between two conductive plates in the fluid. Maybe you could use a flooded coaxial cell to eliminate external interference. Agitate the electrodes to remove CO2 bubbles.

Water has a dielectric constant of about 80, while pure ethanol is about 24.3 at 25 °C. There will be some slight non-linearity expected due to the interaction in solution between ethanol and water. A non-linearity may be in your favor. I think it is worth investigating.
 

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