Weight and Gravity Relationship in Standing Objects

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between weight and gravity for standing objects, specifically focusing on a hypothetical scenario involving a long pipe and how its weight might change when oriented vertically versus horizontally. The conversation touches on concepts of gravitational strength and its variation with distance from the Earth's center.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a 100-meter pipe weighing 100 kg would weigh less when stood up due to the decrease in gravitational force with distance from the Earth.
  • Another participant asserts that for practical purposes, gravity can be considered uniform over short distances like 100 meters, suggesting the weight remains the same regardless of orientation.
  • A participant expands the scenario to a 100,000-meter pipe, indicating that there would be a measurable decrease in gravitational strength over such a distance.
  • One participant expresses a desire to derive a formula for the weight of materials based on their density and tensile strength, referencing an article from New Scientist for context.
  • There is a mention of the "skyhook" problem, suggesting it may relate to the original question and encouraging further exploration of that concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of orientation on weight due to gravitational variation, with some asserting that the weight remains effectively unchanged while others acknowledge a slight decrease in weight when oriented vertically. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of gravitational changes over large distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the strength of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the Earth's center, but the practical implications of this for short distances are debated. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the exact problem being addressed.

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As part of a greater problem, i wonder if anyone could help me with this one. If i had a 100 meter length of pipe laid on the ground that wieghed say 100kg. if i stood the pipe up would the pipe wiegh less, allowing that the force of gravity decreases with the square of the distance from the Earth if so how would i calculate the new wieght. I hope someone can help thx.
 
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Unless the purpose of the exercise is to test your ability to integrate, for all practical purposes the strength of gravity near the Earth's surface can be considered uniform over 100 meters. The weight will be the same regardless of orientation.

What's the exact problem you are trying to solve?
 
the exact problem is a lot more complex and i know some one out there would maybe solve it easly, but if i can i would like to solve it myself with a little help. i used the length 100m and weight 100kg as arbitrary units easy to deal with. You say "for all practical purposes the strength of gravity near the Earth's surface can be considered uniform over 100 meters." What if my pipe were 100000mtrs?
 
There would be about a 3% drop in field strength over that distance. The strength of the field is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the Earth's center.

If you state the exact problem, then it might become clear what's important and what's not.
 
thankyou Doc Al the exact problem goes like this. I was reading the New Scientist this morning and found this article http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg19125671.900;jsessionid=GBBIBOODMNDI
If you can't get the full article let me know and i;ll post it.
Any way here goes, if i knew what the length of cable was, its density and the gravitational decrease i would know its "weight". Now here is the problem i have created. If i could find the "weight" of a few different materials along with their tensile strengths etc i could maybe come up with a formulae to find the exact characteristics that would meet the requirments of the cable(maybe).
 
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Doc Al said:
Unless the purpose of the exercise is to test your ability to integrate, for all practical purposes the strength of gravity near the Earth's surface can be considered uniform over 100 meters. The weight will be the same regardless of orientation

You have a 100m long solid (not hollow) pipe and when you put it on the Earth's surface horizontally it weighs 100kg. Technically, if you put the same pipe vertically on the Earth's surface, its weight should go down (by an extremely small amount), right?
 
Swapnil said:
You have a 100m long solid (not hollow) pipe and when you put it on the Earth's surface horizontally it weighs 100kg. Technically, if you put the same pipe vertically on the Earth's surface, its weight should go down (by an extremely small amount), right?
Of course.
 
Dave Chippy said:
thankyou Doc Al the exact problem goes like this. I was reading the New Scientist this morning and found this article...
I could only see the beginning of the article, but it sounds a lot like the "skyhook" problem, which has been discussed a bit here on PF (and plenty of other places too). Do a search on "skyhook" (or "sky hook") as well as on "space elevator" and you might find some interesting stuff.

Here's one thread I found: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=74592
 
thx Al i'll be back
 

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