Weight on a fulcrum style problem - Personal Interest

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a coffee table design where a sheet of glass is placed on a block of an engine. The original poster is interested in determining the maximum weight that can be placed on the edge of the table without causing the glass to fall off, focusing on the principles of balance and torque.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to conceptualize the problem by considering the balance of weights on either side of the pivot point. They express uncertainty about the role of torque and the effects of distance from the pivot on stability. Some participants introduce the concept of torque and moments, suggesting that the center of gravity of the glass sheet plays a crucial role in the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the pivot point and the mechanics involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of moments, but there is still a lack of consensus on the specifics of the setup and the implications of the solid block's position.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the uniformity of the glass sheet and the definition of the pivot point. The original poster has not yet established the weight of the glass or the dimensions of the sheet, which may impact the analysis.

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Just to preface, this isn't something that I've been given as homework, I'm not currently enrolled in any schooling, however as a matter of personal interest I wanted to work out the solution to the problem without a guess-check-improve method. I have an idea, and it seems too obvious to be true but still.

Homework Statement



I'm building a coffee table which will consist of a sheet of glass resting on top of the block of an engine (basically, a rectangular prism on its end). I want to find out the highest weight that can be put on the very edge of the table without the glass falling off. My basic MS Paint drawing is below, with the red arrow being the weight point.

Bench.jpg


I don't yet know the weight of the glass, as I'm unsure of the size of the sheet, I'm more interested in finding an equation to use when I do know all the variables.

Homework Equations



Not sure yet

The Attempt at a Solution



From the thinking I've been doing, it originally seemed to be simply a case of balancing the weight of the left and right hand sides, with the pivot point being the side of the block closest to the weight (see attached image)

Bench2.jpg


For example, the image below would be perfectly balanced and therefore wouldn't fall;

Bench3.jpg


But then the more I think about it the more that seems to be too simple a breakdown, as the further from the pivot point the weight is the more force it has. So that's where I'm stumped, which is frustrating as I know I should know the answer.

I'm not sure if my explanation has made sense to anyone, if you need clarification don't hesitate to ask, and likewise if this is in the wrong place then let me know and I'll do what I can to move it.

Thanks guys
Josh
 
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this is quite a simple problem involving torque.

assuming that the sheet of glass is uniform, the centre of gravity is at the centre of the glass sheet (to the right of the left edge of the block), and it will produce a clockwise moment about the pivot point.

moment = force x perpendicular distance to pivot.

in order to balance out the moment, the anti-clockwise moment produced by the weight must be equal to that generated by the weight of the glass sheet acting on its centre of mass.
 
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But as the block in the center is solid, wouldn't that mean that is the center of the rotation? Or am I missing something in your explanation?
 
c4nc3r said:
But as the block in the center is solid, wouldn't that mean that is the center of the rotation? Or am I missing something in your explanation?

Actually i meant that the pivot point is the left edge of the block, not the center of it.
 
I'm sorry, it was kinda late at night when I posted that message [ which I deleted ], and I didn't realize what we're talking about here.

Anyways, yes, the pivot point is the left edge of the center block because that's where the glass rotates.
 

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