Weight on the surface of a black hole ()

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving black holes, specifically calculating the weight of an object on the surface of a super-dense sphere with a mass comparable to that of Earth. The problem includes two parts: determining the limiting radius at which the mass becomes a black hole and calculating the weight of a small mass at the surface of this sphere using Newtonian mechanics.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational equations to find the weight of an object near a black hole. There are attempts to clarify the correct formula for weight and the implications of dimensional correctness in the equations used. Some participants question the original poster's use of mass in the equations and suggest reconsidering the Schwarzschild radius in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and equations. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the equations for weight and gravitational force. Some guidance has been offered about the relevance of the Schwarzschild radius for part (a) of the problem.

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Participants note the precision of the constants provided in the problem statement, such as the speed of light and the gravitational constant, which may be relevant for the calculations. There is also an emphasis on ensuring dimensional consistency in the equations used.

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Homework Statement



A black hole is an object so heavy that neither matter nor even light can escape the influence of its gravitational field. Since no light can escape from it, it appears black. Suppose a mass approximately size of the Earth's mass 4.38 X 10^24 kg is packed into a small uniform sphere of radius r.

Use: The speed of light c = 2.99792 X 10^8 m/s. The universal gravitation constant G = 6.67259 X 10^-11 N m^2/kg^2.

There were two parts:

a) Findthe limiting radius r_0 when this mass becomes a black hole - easy.

b) Using Newtonian mechanics, how much would a mass of 4.64 micro-g weight at the suface of this super-dense sphere? Answer in units of N.

Homework Equations



[tex]W = g m = \frac{G M_e m}{r^2} m[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I did:

[tex]W = g M_o = \frac{G M_h M_o}{r^2} M_o = \frac{G M_h M_o^2}{r^2}[/tex]

Using for r the value I found by the solution of (a) above, M_h, the given value of the mass of the black hole, and M_o the given value of the object (converted to kilograms). The answer was counted as wrong.
 
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U probably used a wrong equation
F = GMm/r^2,
that is it, there should not be any square of mass
 
it's for calculating the weight, W = m g = m F = m GMm/r^2 - GMm^2/r^2
 
lizzyb said:
it's for calculating the weight, W = m g = m F = m GMm/r^2 - GMm^2/r^2

Your equation is dimensionally incorrect. mg is a force. How can mg = m*F? The problem gave you a rather precise value for the speed of light as well as the constant G. Do you think the correct calculation for part a might use those quantities? Have you learned about the Schwarzschild radius? I think that is what you need to know about to do the first part of this problem. The second part can then be done using the universal gravitaion law.
 

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