What analysis was done on Mike Lindell's election data?

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The discussion centers around the analysis of data presented by Mike Lindell related to the 2020 election and the subsequent arbitration ruling regarding the validity of that data. Participants explore the nature of the data, the findings of experts who examined it, and the implications of the arbitration outcome.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the methods used by an expert to prove that Lindell's election data was false, suggesting possibilities such as decoding, statistical analysis, or evidence of data modification.
  • Others note that the "Red Team" of experts had concerns about the data, indicating it did not meet their expectations for authenticity and contained elements that appeared simplistic or misleading.
  • One participant highlights that the files provided were primarily text or PDF documents, lacking the promised packet capture data, and included items like a flow chart and lists of IP addresses that were deemed irrelevant.
  • There are questions regarding the provenance of the data files and whether the expert, Zeidman, received payment following the arbitration ruling.
  • Some participants express skepticism about Lindell's ability to pay the awarded $5 million, citing his financial situation and suggesting he may not be a reliable source of information.
  • Concerns are raised about potential financial maneuvers Lindell might undertake to protect his assets, drawing parallels to other public figures facing legal challenges.

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Participants express a mix of skepticism and curiosity regarding the validity of Lindell's data and the arbitration outcome. There is no consensus on the implications of the findings or Lindell's financial situation, with multiple competing views remaining throughout the discussion.

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The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the authenticity and analysis of the data provided by Lindell, as well as the implications of the arbitration ruling. Participants have differing opinions on the reliability of Lindell's claims and his financial status.

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Does anyone know what data analysis the computer expert did to win Lindell's $5 million challenge?
Mike Lindell offered a 5 million $ challenge to anyone who could prove that his election data was false. A computer expert won an arbitration decision that he had proven it. He thought that it would take a long time, or be impossible, but he says that it did not take long at all. Does anyone know what he did to prove it? The options that I can think of are:
1) The data was encoded and he decoded it to show that it was not election data.
2) He could show statistically or numerically that the data did not add up.
3) He could show some way that the data had been modified.
I can not find information other than reports that the expert was awarded the prize. But I do not know where to search for scientific details.
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/mike-lindell-ordered-pay-5m-losing-election-data-challenge-rcna80644 said:
But the "Red Team" of experts assembled by Lindell had their own concerns about the data, the ruling said, and members of the team "protested that the data was not at all what they expected."

"They had expected to be provided with packet capture data that could be examined and authenticated to evaluate whether the data files provided were genuine or had been tampered with or altered," the filing said. But that was not what they received.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dominion-fox-news-what-is-libel/ said:
Zeidman, who said he voted twice for Trump and describes himself as a conservative Republican, said some of the data from Lindell amounted to "a simple Word document and a table" that had been made "to look sophisticated, and it wasn't." Part of the document included IP addresses — a unique address that identifies a device on the internet — that Zeidman said were "meaningless."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/04/20/mike-lindell-prove-wrong-contest/ said:
Lindell’s claims that he had packet captures intrigued Zeidman, who has served as an expert for tech firms in intellectual property lawsuits. Describing himself as a “reasonable” and “moderate conservative” who voted twice for Donald Trump, Zeidman told the arbitration panel he was skeptical of Lindell’s claims. But he said he also did not believe Lindell would promote unvetted data, so he thought the conference could offer a “great chance to see history in the making, perhaps an election overturned.”

At the event, Zeidman received the contest rules. There was no mention of disproving Chinese interference, according to contest forms submitted in the arbitration case. Rather, winners would have to prove that the data provided “does NOT reflect information related to the November 2020 election.”

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The files provided to Zeidman and other experts were primarily text or PDF files. Zeidman testified that one was a flow chart purporting to show how elections generally work. Another, when unencrypted, was a list of internet IP addresses, and others were enormous files of what appeared to Zeidman to be random numbers and letters.

The packet captures that Lindell had promised were nowhere to be found, according to Zeidman.

Zeidman laid out his findings in a 15-page report. “I have proven that the data Lindell provides … unequivocally does not contain packet data of any kind and do not contain any information related to the November 2020 election,” he wrote.
 
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Thanks! It sounds like it was a hodge-podge of data that had a variety of problems, showing that it was not what Lindell claimed.
 
What was the provenance of the pillow-guy data files? Did Mr Zeidman actual receive payment following the ajudication?
 
hutchphd said:
What was the provenance of the pillow-guy data files? Did Mr Zeidman actual receive payment following the ajudication?
The provenance of the data is very questionable. It seems that the data Lindell gave to be examined was a hodge-podge collection (see @jack action 's post #2). The reason I asked was that the arbitration decision happened today and said that Lindell will have to pay $5 million. It is all in a contract that Lindell entered into specifying the arbitration. It is expected that Lindell will go to court to fight the decision. Some people seem skeptical that Lindell will win because it is all according to the contract that he had written up.
 
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According to what I read today, it's very doubtful that Lindell will ever actually pay out any of the $5 mil because he's in debt and just took out a $10 mil loan to keep his company afloat.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...e-defending-election-fraud-claims-1234697700/

BUT ... keep in mind that that's what HE said, and he's not the most reliable guy (total fruitcake) and could he be exaggerating (lying through his teeth) about the debt.
 
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phinds said:
According to what I read today, it's very doubtful that Lindell will ever actually pay out any of the $5 mil because he's in debt and just took out a $10 mil loan to keep his company afloat.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...e-defending-election-fraud-claims-1234697700/

BUT ... keep in mind that that's what HE said, and he's not the most reliable guy (total fruitcake) and could he be exaggerating (lying through his teeth) about the debt.
A lot of people who are going to lose big court cases go into debt to companies that they secretly own.
 
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A lot of people who are going to lose big court cases go into debt to companies that they secretly own.
I'm not clear on what relevance that has to this case since Lindell publicly owns MyPillow.
 
phinds said:
I'm not clear on what relevance that has to this case since Lindell publicly owns MyPillow.
Yes. But MyPillow might run up large bills to companies that are secretly owned by Lindell. He might try what Alex Jones is suspected of doing. Since the billion $ judgment against Alex Jones and InfoWars, Jones filed for bankruptcy and is suspected of trying to shift his wealth to other companies (but he is being closely watched).
 
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But no patriotic citizen would do these things! Shocked, I am.
 
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I guess we should limit political comments here. I hope I didn't start something bad. But I can not help making one more post:
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glad you got the reference........I never know........'nuf said.........
 
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