What are some examples of imperfect entanglement in spin 1/2 systems?

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The discussion centers around the concept of imperfect entanglement in spin 1/2 systems, exploring definitions, examples, and the degrees of entanglement. Participants seek to clarify the nature of entanglement and provide concrete examples, particularly in relation to the Bell states and their implications for measurement outcomes.

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  • One participant proposes that perfect entanglement can be illustrated by Bell singlet states and suggests a specific example involving position states to describe imperfect entanglement.
  • Another participant mentions the relationship between entropy and entanglement, indicating that moving from unentangled states to Bell states represents a transition in degrees of entanglement.
  • A participant expresses a desire for straightforward examples of imperfect entanglement, questioning the applicability of entropy measures and seeking clarity on the initial example provided.
  • One participant explains that measuring observables on two particles can reveal correlations, with perfect correlations indicating perfect entanglement and no correlations indicating no entanglement. They suggest that imperfect entanglement can be quantified through reduced density matrices.
  • The same participant challenges the initial example as being maximally entangled, suggesting that it is necessary to construct a new example specifically for two spin 1/2 systems to illustrate imperfect entanglement.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial example of imperfect entanglement, with some arguing it represents maximal entanglement instead. There are competing views on the best way to illustrate degrees of entanglement, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific examples and definitions presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining and illustrating imperfect entanglement, particularly in relation to different bases and the dimensionality of Hilbert spaces. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of certain examples and measures of entanglement.

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Hi, I'm wondering what is meant by degrees of entanglement, and am looking for a simple concrete example. Here's a guess at an example, and then a more general definition based on it:
Examples of perfect entanglement would be the Bell singlet states. To use a position basis example, for two particles confined to one dimension we might have perfect entanglement:

c1(|x1>1|x10>2) + c2(|x2>1|x11>2)

Now for imperfect entanglement or "less" entanglement we might have:

c1|x1>1(c2|x10>2+c3|x11>2) + c4|x2>1(c2|x10>2+c3|x12>2)

So in this example I'm thinking that if you measure particle 1 and collapse it position x1, then you don't fully collapse particle 2; you only collapse it to a superposition of x10 and x11; similarly if you measure 1 and collapse it to x2, you don't fully collapse particle 2, you only collapse it to a superposition of x10 and x12.

So then general definition of degrees of entanglement would be "the more entangled the particles are (in basis B) the more that a collapse of one particle (in B) will lead to a more confined collapse (i.e. reducing superposition spread) of the other particle (in B).

Does my example make sense (not sure if the c#'s really work out here)?
Does the example illustrate the idea of degrees of entanglement?
Do you know of better simple illustrations of the idea?
What are some realistic illustrations of the idea?

Interested in your thoughts!
 
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look at the curve in entropy
you move between two unentangled states (null entropy) and in the middle there is a Bell state (entropy = 1) which is maximally entangled.
 
naima said:
look at the curve in entropy
you move between two unentangled states (null entropy) and in the middle there is a Bell state (entropy = 1) which is maximally entangled.

Thanks but if I could understand your link then I would have little need to ask this question. Setting aside very general complex measures (e.g. using entropy) of entanglement degrees, I would just like to see a straightforward example of imperfect entanglement. For example I'm wondering if the simple one dimensional space example I offered is an example.
 
The idea is the following. We measure an observable O1 on particle 1 and an observable O2 on particle 2. We then look at the correlations of the outcomes we get for pairs of observables {O1, O2}. If we can find a pair of observables with no correlation of outcomes at all, we have no entanglement. Else, if we can find a pair, where all the outcomes are perfectly (anti-)correlated, we have perfect entanglement. In between these extremes, we have imperfect entanglement (which can be quantified by the entropy of the reduced density matrices).

If possible, we often use the same observable for both particles. This covers many situations, but not the example of which you think that it describes imperfect entanglement. This state is also maximally entangled. The reason is that all your states are orthogonal to each other. You can easily construct an observable for particle 2 which yields perfect correlations.

Position states are a more advanced example because the Hilbert space is infinite-dimensional (and strictly speaking, the position states don't even live in a simple Hilbert space at all). Is is easier to talk about two spin 1/2 systems first.

Now try to construct a state with imperfect entanglement for two spin 1/2 systems.
 
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