What Are Some Examples of Isomorphic Vector Spaces with Different Dimensions?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of isomorphic vector spaces, specifically seeking examples of a vector space that is isomorphic to a proper subspace, with a focus on infinite-dimensional spaces. Participants explore various examples and theoretical implications related to this topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a vector space V cannot have a finite basis if it is isomorphic to a proper subspace W.
  • Another participant provides an example using the vector space of polynomials over a field, specifically C[x,y], and describes a bijection that demonstrates an isomorphism to C[T].
  • A participant questions the difficulty of finding an example of an infinite-dimensional vector space isomorphic to a proper subspace and suggests using analogies with other infinitary structures.
  • One participant proposes the vector space of infinite sequences of real numbers as a simpler example, asserting that any two subspaces without finite bases should be isomorphic.
  • Another participant emphasizes that any bijection between bases yields an isomorphism and provides an example involving the natural numbers and a shift operator on sequences.
  • A later reply discusses the specific cases of l_p spaces, noting that while some are isomorphic, others, like the space of sequences with finitely many nonzero terms and the space of absolutely summable sequences, are not isomorphic due to differing dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of isomorphic vector spaces, particularly regarding infinite-dimensional spaces. Some examples are proposed, but no consensus is reached on a definitive example or the implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of vector spaces and the nature of their bases, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the isomorphisms discussed.

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I came across this problem today and haven't been able to figure it out...

Give an example of a vector space V which isomorphic to a proper subspace W, i.e. V != W.

It seems to me that V can't have a finite basis, but can't think of any examples regardless...any thoughts?
 
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Polynomials over a field

Let V=C[x,y]. A basis for this space is [tex]$ B= \{ x^i y^j \mid i,j=0,1,2,...\} $[/tex]. It is well known that there is a bijection [tex]$ f: Z_{+} \times Z_{+} \rightarrow Z_{+} $[/tex]. Therefore, if we let [tex]$ t_{i,j} =x^iy^j \ \forall i, j $[/tex], then we have a bijective map from B to the set [tex]$ B' = \{T^k \mid k \in Z_{+}\} $ given by $ F(t_{i,j}) = T^{f(i,j)} $[/tex]. Clearly F linearly extends from the basis to all of V and is an isomorphism onto C[T]. You then may trivially send C[T] to C[x] via the isomorphism T -> x.
 
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Markjdb said:
It seems to me that V can't have a finite basis, but can't think of any examples regardless...any thoughts?
I assume you've considered infinite dimensional vector spaces; where did you run into difficulty showing that one might be isomorphic to a proper subspace?

Analogy might help -- can you think of any other infinitary structure that is isomorphic to a proper substructure? What about the simplest kind of structure: that of simply being a set?
 
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Even easier, consider the vector space of infinite sequences of real numbers (or equivalently, countably infinite tuples)

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that in this vector space, any two subspaces without finite bases should be isomorphic
 
any bijection between bases yields and isomorphism between the spaces, so just find a basis and a bijection with a proper subset.

e.g. if the basis is the natural numbers, the usual bijection (x-->x+1)with those > 1 induces the famous "shift operator" on the space of (finite) sequences.
 
LukeD said:
Even easier, consider the vector space of infinite sequences of real numbers (or equivalently, countably infinite tuples)

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that in this vector space, any two subspaces without finite bases should be isomorphic
The sequences with only finitely many nonzero terms form a subspace that admits a countably infinite basis, whereas the space of absolutely summable sequences (l_1) has as its dimension the cardinality of the continuum. So these two spaces aren't isomorphic. But on the other hand, all the l_p spaces (for 1<=p<infinity) are isomorphic as vector spaces, and l_p is a proper subspace of l_q when p<q.
 
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