What are some top logic/proof/puzzle games for puzzle enthusiasts?

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The discussion revolves around various logic and puzzle games, with a strong focus on Minesweeper. Participants share their experiences, strategies, and personal best times for different difficulty levels of Minesweeper, with some claiming impressive records like 28 seconds for intermediate and 74 seconds for expert. They discuss the importance of logic and strategy in improving their gameplay, including the balance between flagging mines and making quick decisions. Other games mentioned include Bridge, Spades, Chinese Mahjong, Mastermind, Chess, and Go, with players expressing their preferences and experiences with these games.The conversation also touches on the addictive nature of Minesweeper, with several users sharing their frustrations and achievements, such as completing games without flagging or achieving personal bests. There are discussions about recording gameplay, analyzing strategies, and the challenges of playing at different resolutions. The thread highlights the community's passion for logic games and the shared journey of improving skills, with many users encouraging each other to keep playing and refining their techniques.
  • #51
Yeah I had a few lucky guesses at the bottom of the board, but I usually play without hesitation if I must guess.

Did you see neurocomp's 88 video? He had a 50/50 guess at the very end and got it :smile:

For Rubik's cubes, I am with whozum. When I last tried to solve one a few years ago I could not come even close. I would have to mess around with one for quite a while to be able to figure it out.
 
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  • #52
Well 50% of the times he'd get it right, so not really a surprise :biggrin:

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  • #53
heh how did you liek the video...yeah i guess some times (well you have to with the 50/50) but its more about feeling for the bigger portions.
 
  • #54
For me with 50/50 guesses at the end it is: right 90% of the time when I have a slow time, and right 10% of the time when I have a great time going :smile:

neurocomp that is a nice video; however, I was expecting to see some crazy no flag action :cool:
 
  • #55
oh my bad...hehe i miss interpreted flag...i thought you meant the question mark...which i think as flag sory
. yeah no falg would be crazy but i don't do that anymore. I use to when i was younger and had the brain capacity...the brains getting old and cluttered with crap. especially anger towards sports playoffs.
I got 2 more 88sec if you want to see ...trying to make a80s flag
 
  • #56
Ahh ok, and sure I would love to see them!
 
  • #57
http://www.public.asu.edu/~hyousif/flags.avi" some of my flagless. I tried to go all the way but once I start flagging I just can't stop hehe.
 
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  • #58
woot 170 no flag. damn my brain hurts... going to slow compared to flagging
 
  • #60
damn that was a nice start thin kyou woulda beat my 170 also prolly woudla been a 70-80s range if you flaged. oh yeah and some of your guesses were awesome.
 
  • #61
yay 122 noflag..man i need to learn to go back to coding.
 
  • #62
I had a mid-80s no flagger, I don't know where I put it.. I've been sweeping so much more since the start of this thread :smile:
 
  • #63
i quit you win...minesweeper takes up too much time...ARGH but so addicting stupid microsoft always adding this game.
 
  • #64
Yeah you guys seem like you may be going a bit crazy with this lol. Remember the most important thing about minesweeper, having fun!
 
  • #65
I do cryptic crossword puzzles (what Yanks call 'British Style'), where you have to figure out what the various components of the clue mean before you can get the solution. If there aren't any around, then the New York Times Sunday puzzle, but it doesn't take long enough to do just one.
 
  • #66
Grrrr... I hate cross words. I'm terrible at trivia so I can rarely finish them but I do pick them up on accasion when I can't find anything else to occupy me. I wish more news papers had cryptograms in them. In my local on sundays they used to print four that were much more difficult than the usual ones. My friend and I would race to see who could get them done the fastest. The usual ones we stopped competing with because they only took a couple minutes.
 
  • #68
the features added are cool. I would give Minesweeper Clone 7 out of 10
 
  • #69
how do you make a 50x50/550 i can't get it to customize
 
  • #70
You have to put it in cheat mode.

The clone does have some cool features, but is a bit laggy when you have it at max. Also, because you have to put it in cheat mode you have to see that little word cheat near your mouse, which sometimes is annoying. However, you can set up where the mines are if you want to make a tutorial on minesweeper logic.


edit.. and actually it is 49x49 (the max). You probably wil have to raise your resolution to 1280 if you want to max it out.
 
  • #71
damn that's hard 266 sec and i only finish 60-70% of the map...1+ game then i quit
 
  • #72
You were going for time on that monster?! I was just trying to beat it :smile: If I went for time and died on a 50/50 guess at the end I would be sooo pissed :mad:
 
  • #73
lol no i was just saying how long it took...i can't even get passed 70% because i have to end up guessing...i'ma put it at 400mines and see what happens.
 
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  • #76
Nonosweeper looks insane, I'm having my fun with minesweeper clone now though, I beat 400 mines in a bit over 300, I don't have a screenshot of it though.


edit: I can't believe you flagged every one!
 
  • #78
lol I flagged every one hoping that it would help me with the end, which it did up until that guess that killed it all.

Yeah the game seems extremely easy at 400 mines, but the fear of the mistake slows it down dramatically.
 
  • #79
damn 400 seconds and i get 2 50/50s...busted on the first one.
 
  • #80
Yeah those guesses are extra annoying with such a big board. Go back and play regular ol expert, it feels like a joke lol.
 
  • #81
ARGHH ...man I'm at 399s with 3 squares left and 1 bomb
like this , x-bomb, ? unknown, w-wall...

xxw
x?w
x?w
x?w
xxw
I have yet to complete this thing

i blam it on you mattmns for getting me hooked...
 
  • #82
Hey that is not bad! You at least have a 2 in 3 chance of winning!
 
  • #83
mattmns said:
Hey that is not bad! You at least have a 2 in 3 chance of winning!

No kidding, after playing that huge one for an hour or so I want back to expert and beat my old record by 3 seconds within 5 minutes of playing. I am at 72 now. can't wait to break into the 60's
 
  • #84
Ok can anything beyond what I will show in the second screenshot be proved?


http://img206.echo.cx/img206/5148/3test1cv.png








Is this all that can be said?


http://img121.echo.cx/img121/7855/proof3test9zt.png


edit.. lol just realized that the first shot does not help much :cry:


Here is the board attachted.
 

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  • #85
Have you all played expert with show mines on? I am terrible at it. I can barely get into the 70s when I know where the mines and the open spots are.
 
  • #86
show mines? as for the above picture you best bet would be to click on the other side of the bomb wall.
 
  • #87
argh now I'm madd...i've bene trying to atleast complete 49x49:400...but i havne't in the past 3-5 days that I've got this game...its all because of stupid 50/50s...
this time the 50/50 came early about 50s in so i was just practigin...little did i know i would complete the rest of the map at 380s and behold the 50/50s hate me again.

so what do you guys do when you get early 50/50s? do you start a new one?
 
  • #88
If I get a 50/50 early I usually just make the guess then, no real reason to wait til the end to lose it.
 
  • #89
In your second screenshot, if you see the 2-3-3 vertical on the top right, and then the 3 a few squares to the left of it, my first reaction would've been to open the square immediately to the right of the 3, and if it isnta mine, then the square under the 2-3-3 vertical isn't a mine either. That's not certain though. What is certain is towards the bottom with that mine that looks kind of like an island with the 3's next to it. The flags next to both 3's are mines.

To prove it you can isolate the area and show that the 2 beneath the 3's is actually a 1, since it already has 1 of its mines found, and the 3's themselves are just 2's. The 2's above the 3's are also 1's because the one right above the 3's has one flag satisfied. It simplifies to a 1-2-2-1 situation, which we know is obviously the 2's have mines next to them. Here the 3's have mines next to them.

Generally when you see a cluster of 3's like that with lower numbers on each side , both 3's have mines.
 
  • #90
neurocomp2003 said:
argh now I'm madd...i've bene trying to atleast complete 49x49:400...but i havne't in the past 3-5 days that I've got this game...its all because of stupid 50/50s...
this time the 50/50 came early about 50s in so i was just practigin...little did i know i would complete the rest of the map at 380s and behold the 50/50s hate me again.

so what do you guys do when you get early 50/50s? do you start a new one?

On the 49x49 I keep playing and skip em, if I finish the whole map and it comes down to a 50 50 then even if I lose I consider it a win and note the time, since technically I did best the board. I've never reported 50/50 losses as wins to you guys though so don't worry :)
 
  • #91
Great logic whozum! Never even thought of that being the 1221 pattern!
 
  • #92
mattmns said:
Great logic whozum! Never even thought of that being the 1221 pattern!

My gut reaction, which was to do the top ones, would've been wrong though! Gah, I can never sit and think when I'm working on these things, its alwasy like 'go, go, go, don't stop' and I end up making assumptions like I did.

Simplifying is probably the best way to solve ones with higher numbers though, I always try to reduce the higher number ones into lower number patterns that I recognize and knw easily.
 
  • #93
booya 75s on exp
 
  • #94
neurocomp2003 said:
booya 75s on exp
That's really close to my record, I guess I better get crackin. I'm at 73 right now.
 
  • #95
yeah your right after playing that big map for like 2-3 hors straight...i played teh exp for about 1hr...man where does the time go...time spent when i should be coding ...bah
 
  • #98
damn that was close...i'm impressed...would love to see how fast your goin...
whats your ideal start phase.

I have given up I'm a mid70-early 90s player and can't improve anymore.
 
  • #99
Thats what I thought when I was at 250, then 180, then 140, then 100, then 90, then 80... keep it up man. You'll get better.
 
  • #100
Ouch whozum, sooo close! I wish I could break 90, but am getting slower in my old age :smile:
 

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