What Are the Advantages of Base Twelve Over Other Number Bases?

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The discussion centers around the advantages and comparisons of base twelve (dozenal) against other number bases, including binary, octal, decimal, hexadecimal, and base sixty. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical applications, and the relevance of different bases in mathematics and everyday tasks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that base twelve offers advantages in expressing certain fractions more neatly compared to decimal and octal, suggesting that this could make mathematics more intuitive.
  • Others contend that the choice of number base is largely arbitrary and does not significantly impact arithmetic or higher mathematics, asserting that concerns over numerical bases are irrelevant.
  • A participant presents a detailed comparison of fractions in octal, decimal, and dozenal, highlighting that useful fractions are expressed more simply in dozenal.
  • There is a discussion about the practicality of different bases in relation to weights and measures, with some arguing that decimal fails to express basic fractions effectively.
  • Some participants express frustration over the perceived dismissal of the topic and the relevance of number bases in mathematical discussions.
  • Warren, a participant, repeatedly challenges the significance of the debate, suggesting that the complexity of numerical bases is only relevant in specific contexts, such as machine design.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the decision on which base to use is influenced by practical considerations in various fields, including engineering and science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the relevance and advantages of different number bases, particularly between those who advocate for dozenal and those who view the discussion as largely irrelevant.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about the practicality of different bases in everyday tasks and the effectiveness of expressing fractions, which remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the historical context of measurement systems and their influence on numerical bases.

  • #31
As far as conversions between bases go: is there any advantage representing a number as a vector in an n-th dimensional vector space?

So, say I wish to represent the number 73 in base 10, it'd be 73=7\times \vec{v}_1+3\times\vec{v}_0 where \vec{v}_n=10^n, so its representation is on \mathbb{Z}^2 lattice.

The equivalent representation in base 2 is 1001001, so as a vector, it'd be 73=1\times \vec{w}_6+1\times\vec{w}_3+1\times\vec{w}_0 where \vec{w}_n=2^n, so its representation is a point on a \mathbb{Z}^6 lattice.

Is there an obvious relationship between the vector in both spaces? I would be very interested in some feedback!
 
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  • #32
I don't think the vector space paradigm applies. A basis of a vector space is made of independent vectors; while, in your binary example, w_n = 2 w_{n-1}.

Edit: oh, that was possibly a stupid remark of mine. You mean a vector space over the trivial field {0,1}. Then the question is, over which fields you mean, when using a base greater than 2? Since, for non-prime bases, I think, modular arithmetic does not form a field.
 
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  • #33
Dodo said:
I don't think the vector space paradigm applies. A basis of a vector space is made of independent vectors; while, in your binary example, w_n = 2 w_{n-1}.

Edit: oh, that was possibly a stupid remark of mine. You mean a vector space over the trivial field {0,1}. Then the question is, over which fields you mean, when using a base greater than 2? Since, for non-prime bases, I think, modular arithmetic does not form a field.

That has cleared the picture up considerably - I was aware of the connection between the "unit vectors" and was more concerned with v_n v_m= v_{n+m} idea.

With regards the underlying field in each case; it seems a little much to use a different field for each conversion and expect it to go smoothly.

Thank you for your response.
 
  • #34
Just for fun...

Convert the number CAT36 to base 35


What do you get?
 
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zgozvrm said:
Convert the number CAT36 to base 35


What do you get?
Oh, cute! That's the first worthwile thing I have seen in this thread!
 

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