What are the best books to learn topology and representation theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on topology and representation theory, particularly for self-study. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding various texts, aiming to guide the original poster towards suitable resources for understanding topology and progressing to representation theory and Lie algebras.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with M.A. Armstrong's "Basic Topology" but seeks further recommendations for subsequent reading.
  • Another participant criticizes Armstrong's book, recommending Munkres instead for its suitability for self-study.
  • Some participants express a preference for Munkres due to its thoroughness, while others argue it contains excessive material that may not be relevant for specific goals.
  • John Lee's "Introduction to Smooth Manifolds" is proposed as a resource for understanding Lie groups and algebras, with a suggestion to read the appendix on topology for a refresher.
  • Humphreys' "Introduction to Lie Algebras and Representation Theory" is recommended as a more accessible option for learning about Lie algebras without needing extensive background in smooth manifolds.
  • Michael Artin's book "Algebra" is mentioned for its section on linear groups, which requires minimal topology knowledge.
  • Brian Hall's book on Lie groups and algebras is noted for avoiding differential geometry, focusing instead on matrix groups relevant to physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of Armstrong's book versus Munkres, with no consensus on the best starting point for self-study. There are multiple competing views on the relevance of topology for understanding Lie groups and algebras, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of knowing which aspects of topology are relevant to specific long-term goals, suggesting that the choice of resources may depend on individual objectives.

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Hello,

I have a general interest in teaching myself topology to build up to moving onto Representation theory. I have chosen M.A. Armstrongs's book "Basic Topology" as my start.

My Question... where would you all recommend I go from there. I took top in undergrad and that was the book we used. What are some other highly recommended books on the subject. And what other books do you suggest to get me up to speed and over to my goal of reading through a book on Lie algebras -- or did I miss my mark and should have gone for geometry?
 
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I see i may have posted this in the wrong forum .. I will repost in learning materials..
 
Unfortunately i do not have permission to post a question in the Learning materials forum group... so if anyone could post answers to the question here - it would be most appreciated.
 
Topology by Munkres is fantastic.
 
Why have you chosen for armstrong's book?? The book is horrible, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Sure, if you know a bit of topology already, then armstrong's book could be good. But don't try to use it to teach yourself.

Go for Munkres instead, it's a wonderful book especially suited for self-study!
 
There's a science book forum. You can use the report button to request that the thread be moved there. And yeah, Munkres.
 
Munkres or Armstrong? Nah... (I don't like Armstrong's writing style, just like his Groups & Symmetries. Munkres' book has a slow pace, but is extensive.)
Willard or Jänich...yeah!
 
linkedlister said:
Hello,

I have a general interest in teaching myself topology to build up to moving onto Representation theory. I have chosen M.A. Armstrongs's book "Basic Topology" as my start.

My Question... where would you all recommend I go from there. I took top in undergrad and that was the book we used. What are some other highly recommended books on the subject. And what other books do you suggest to get me up to speed and over to my goal of reading through a book on Lie algebras -- or did I miss my mark and should have gone for geometry?

I believe that topological ideas arise naturally in the study of complex analysis. That's what I would do not knowing anything about your long term goals.
 
I don't recommand Munkres for self study as it contains too much stuff you'll never need use or see again in your life. If you had someone tell you exactly what part of general topology are relevant for your long term goalds, ok, but otherwise, how would you know that you're wasting time reading about T¼ spaces?

If your goal is to understand Lie groups and their Lie algebra, then what you need is the general theory of smooth manifolds. IMO, the shortest and easiest way to do this is to read John Lee's Introduction to Smooth Manifolds where Lie algebras of Lie groups are introduced as early as page 93. Since you've taken topology as an undergrad, you can read the appendix on topology to refresh your memory, or pick up Lee's Introduction to Topological Manifolds, which tells you what you need to know and skip the rest.
 
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If you quickly want to learn about Lie algebra's, you don't even need to know about smooth manifolds (the relation between Lie groups can come later). Pick up Hymphrey's "Introduction to Lie Algebras and Representation Theory", the only prerequisite is a decent algebra background. Or even better, take up Erdmann's Introduction to Lie Algebras.
 
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there is a little section on linear groups in the book Algebra, by Michael Artin which only uses a little topology. See if you can read that.
 
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Lie groups, Lie algebras, and representations: an elementary introduction, by Brian Hall completely avoids differential geometry by focusing on Lie groups whose members are matrices. This includes almost all groups that are relevant in physics.

I completely agree with what quasar987 said about Munkres and Lee. (Munkres is great, but it contains a lot of stuff you don't need. Lee's books are excellent).

You don't really need topology for the stuff about Lie groups and Lie algebras. You just need a little to understand the definition of a manifold.
 

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