What are the best methods to tackle a challenging first-year physics problem?

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The discussion revolves around a challenging first-year physics problem involving the relationship between changing variables in a dynamic system, specifically focusing on angular motion and rates of change. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and differentiation techniques relevant to the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants describe various attempts to solve the problem using trigonometric relationships and differentiation. There is a focus on the relationship between x, y, and θ, with some participants questioning the correctness of their answers and the assumptions made regarding the rates of change.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process and the application of the product rule. Participants are actively discussing discrepancies in their results compared to the professor's, indicating a productive exploration of the problem's nuances.

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Participants note that there are conflicting answers regarding the rates of change, with one participant's result differing significantly from the professor's. This raises questions about the assumptions made in their calculations, particularly regarding the signs of the rates of change.

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I tried solving this question a few different ways, and I got different answers every time. My first attempt I realized that the relationship between the changing x, changing y, and changing angle was tan(\theta) = y/x , so first of all I tried to figure out the final x, and I could do this because it gave me the angular velocity and the final angle, so I got the time to be ∏/2. Then I multiplied 2*(∏/2) to get the distance travelled. So the distance from the wall is 10 - ∏, now that I know the x I can figure out dy/dt, so I differentiate the first expression and get (sec(\theta))^2*d\theta/dt = dy/dt * 1/(10-∏). Then the answer would be (sqrt(2))^2 * 0.5 * (10-∏) = dy/dt, so that was my first answer, now here to my second answer. I differentiate that first expression straight from the beginning, I won't post it but I used the quotient rule, then I figured out that I needed x and y, so I figured out the time the same way as before, it was ∏/2, then I figured out the distance from the wall which was also 10 - ∏, but I also figured out that tan(∏/4) = 1 = O/A so x = y, so y = 10 - ∏ also, but when I plug everything in then, I get 8.86 m/s instead of 6.86 m/s which was what I got in the first attempt. But both of these answers are wrong according to the prof.
 
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Panphobia said:
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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this question a few different ways, and I got different answers every time. My first attempt I realized that the relationship between the changing x, changing y, and changing angle was tan(\theta) = y/x , so first of all I tried to figure out the final x, and I could do this because it gave me the angular velocity and the final angle, so I got the time to be ∏/2. Then I multiplied 2*(∏/2) to get the distance travelled. So the distance from the wall is 10 - ∏, now that I know the x I can figure out dy/dt, so I differentiate the first expression and get (sec(\theta))^2*d\theta/dt = dy/dt * 1/(10-∏). Then the answer would be (sqrt(2))^2 * 0.5 * (10-∏) = dy/dt, so that was my first answer, now here to my second answer. I differentiate that first expression straight from the beginning, I won't post it but I used the quotient rule, then I figured out that I needed x and y, so I figured out the time the same way as before, it was ∏/2, then I figured out the distance from the wall which was also 10 - ∏, but I also figured out that tan(∏/4) = 1 = O/A so x = y, so y = 10 - ∏ also, but when I plug everything in then, I get 8.86 m/s instead of 6.86 m/s which was what I got in the first attempt. But both of these answers are wrong according to the prof.

You've got some parts right. y=x*tan(θ). Differentiate both sides with respect to t and remember x AND θ are both functions of t. Use the product rule.
 
dy/dt = tan(θ) *dx/dt + x*(sec(θ))^2*dθ/dt
 
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dy/dt = tan(θ) *dx/dt + x*(sec(θ))^2*dθ/dt

Ok, now use that.
 
dy/dt = 2 + (10 - ∏)*2*0.5
= 8.86 m/s
but my professor got 4.86 m/s...he used -2 instead of 2...sooo is he right?
 
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dy/dt = 2 + (10 - ∏)*2*0.5
= 8.86 m/s
but my professor got 4.86 m/s...he used -2 instead of 2...sooo is he right?

Yes, he is. dx/dt isn't 2. x is getting smaller as time goes on.
 
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ohh alright, thanks!
 

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