What are the chances of getting into an Ivy School from CA

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The discussion revolves around the chances of gaining admission to Ivy League schools for a student from Canada, exploring the experiences and insights of participants regarding international admissions, acceptance rates, and the value of focusing on Ivy League versus other educational options.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that admissions criteria for Ivy League schools are consistent regardless of the applicant's origin, though they note potential quotas based on application volume from specific countries.
  • Others argue that financial need may negatively impact an international student's chances of acceptance.
  • One participant emphasizes the low acceptance rates at Ivy League schools, stating that focusing solely on them may not be a wise strategy.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of an international student competing for admission, with some suggesting that there are many reputable universities in Canada that offer quality education at a lower cost.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the original poster's focus on elite schools given their current academic standing, suggesting a need for improvement in grades before considering such options.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of planning versus fantasizing about future educational goals, with some participants advocating for a more grounded approach to academic performance.
  • One participant acknowledges the emotional impact of receiving harsh feedback but ultimately appreciates the motivation it provided to improve academically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views, with some agreeing on the challenges faced by international students applying to Ivy League schools, while others emphasize the importance of focusing on academic performance and considering alternative educational paths. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in acceptance rates and the subjective nature of admissions processes, noting that many applicants may present similar qualifications, which complicates the chances of acceptance.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering applying to U.S. universities from abroad, particularly those interested in Ivy League schools, as well as those seeking insights into the admissions process and the importance of academic performance.

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I live in Canada but I want to go to a university in the US after I graduate HS. Does anyone have any experience similar to this? What are my chances of getting into an Ivy league school compared to those who already live in the U.S? Any data, statistics, personal or secondhand experience, educated guesses are all welcome.
 
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Liam C said:
I live in Canada but I want to go to a university in the US after I graduate HS. Does anyone have any experience similar to this? What are my chances of getting into an Ivy league school compared to those who already live in the U.S? Any data, statistics, personal or secondhand experience, educated guesses are all welcome.
It's done all the time. Admissions criteria for said schools are the same regardless of where you hail from, unless there is a flood or superabundance of applications from certain countries, in which there may be a de facto quota in place. Financial considerations may alter the equation. As an international student your chances for acceptance will be lower if you express financial need. Please keep in mind that acceptances at these schools is ~ 5%, so it would be a dangerous strategy indeed to only focus on the Ivies
 
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Half a week ago, you wanted to go to MIT. Today it's an Ivy. Fortunately, you have time for 150 more such flip-flops before you need to make a decision. What you really need to do is to focus on getting your grades up. Without that, neither MIT nor an Ivy is in the cards.
 
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Why the focus on the Ivies all the time? Sure, you'll get an excellent education there. But there are plenty of universities in Canada where you can also get a very good education for a much less money. I honestly think that any foreign student trying to get into a US university for undergrad is completely insane. There are so many good schools where you can go for less that a quarter of the price.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Half a week ago, you wanted to go to MIT. Today it's an Ivy. Fortunately, you have time for 150 more such flip-flops before you need to make a decision. What you really need to do is to focus on getting your grades up. Without that, neither MIT nor an Ivy is in the cards.
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I just said Ivy because it's hard to get into Ivys. No where in the post did I say I wanted to go to an Ivy school. There is actually a higher acceptance rate at M.I.T than at some Ivys, so I thought if someone could provide data about foreign acceptance it might give me a reference frame. Not flip-flopping.
And yes, your right that I need to boost my grades, but that doesn't mean I can't think about my future.
 
micromass said:
Why the focus on the Ivies all the time? Sure, you'll get an excellent education there. But there are plenty of universities in Canada where you can also get a very good education for a much less money. I honestly think that any foreign student trying to get into a US university for undergrad is completely insane. There are so many good schools where you can go for less that a quarter of the price.
I just used Ivys as an example.
DrSteve said:
It's done all the time. Admissions criteria for said schools are the same regardless of where you hail from, unless there is a flood or superabundance of applications from certain countries, in which there may be a de facto quota in place. Financial considerations may alter the equation. As an international student your chances for acceptance will be lower if you express financial need. Please keep in mind that acceptances at these schools is ~ 5%, so it would be a dangerous strategy indeed to only focus on the Ivies
Thanks, this gives me what I was looking for.
 
It's honestly not really worth thinking about the Ivys/Chicago/Stanford/MIT/Duke etc. at this point. The acceptance rates are so low that it's a crapshoot for anyone, except in special circumstances. My school has been getting well over 30,000 applications for the past three years at least. And it's very likely that most of them look pretty much the same.
 
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radium said:
It's honestly not really worth thinking about the Ivys/Chicago/Stanford/MIT/Duke etc. at this point. The acceptance rates are so low that it's a crapshoot for anyone, except in special circumstances. My school has been getting well over 30,000 applications for the past three years at least. And it's very likely that most of them look pretty much the same.
Good to know.
 
Planning for your future is good. Fantasizing about your future is not. You are a C-minus student. Do you really think your problem right now is to decide which elite US school you will be going to in three years time?

MIT enrolls about five Canadian students per year. Are you one of the top five students in Canada? Are you even on the path to being one of the top five students? I note that you haven't posted a single problem in the homework sections; instead you're posting about video game fantasy technology like portals. More fantasy. Meanwhile, I can guarantee that those top five students are working their butts off.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Planning for your future is good. Fantasizing about your future is not. You are a C-minus student. Do you really think your problem right now is to decide which elite US school you will be going to in three years time?

MIT enrolls about five Canadian students per year. Are you one of the top five students in Canada? Are you even on the path to being one of the top five students? I note that you haven't posted a single problem in the homework sections; instead you're posting about video game fantasy technology like portals. More fantasy. Meanwhile, I can guarantee that those top five students are working their butts off.
Man, some of that was true but that really hurt my feelings. I know you don't care though. It's just hurtful to think that just because I spent some time on physics forums asking about portals, something of which I was completely ignorant about, means that I'm not working hard. Thanks for participating in my threads, you are genuinely helpful(<--- read with serious inflection).
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I didn't post in the homework section because I haven't seen any problems at a grade 9 level, so I figured if I did that would just piss people off or no one would bother answering. Can I post questions about math homework that's at a grade 9 level there?
P.P.S
Thanks for the reality check.
 
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It may hurt your feelings to be told something you don't want to hear, but isn't that better than being told something comforting but wrong? And then three years down the road finding out that your goals are now out of reach?

Yes, you should post homework and homework-type questions in the math homework sections.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
It may hurt your feelings to be told something you don't want to hear, but isn't that better than being told something comforting but wrong? And then three years down the road finding out that your goals are now out of reach?

Yes, you should post homework and homework-type questions in the math homework sections.
Your right Vanadium. Being told what I want to hear isn't Science! Science is truth. Your last post gave me a lot of motivation. As soon as I replied I sat down and started doing math and I will continue and then turn off my PC after this post. Thank you for being my voice of reason.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
It may hurt your feelings to be told something you don't want to hear, but isn't that better than being told something comforting but wrong? And then three years down the road finding out that your goals are now out of reach?

Yes, you should post homework and homework-type questions in the math homework sections.

I know this thread is really old, but I want to reopen it because you did something really important for me. You gave me a reality check. It was brutally honest, but that's what I needed I guess. I now have an A average, am founder and president of the computer science club, founder and organizer of the model UN club, am top of my class in physics, great at math and am well on my way to kicking down the doors of any school I apply to. I'll be back again when I'm accepted at an awesome university. Just you wait Vanadium.
 
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Congratulations!

And see - isn't it better to be working your butt off an achieving your goals than sitting on it and fantasizing about them?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Congratulations!

And see - isn't it better to be working your butt off an achieving your goals than sitting on it and fantasizing about them?
Thank you, yes it is.
 
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I have been involved a bit in admissions at an Ivy league school. They give preference to students from out of the way places to try to build an alumni base there. Being from Canada won't hurt you.
 

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