What are the different approaches to QG and QM without spacetime?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on various approaches to quantum gravity (QG) and classical quantum mechanics (QM) that consider spacetime as an emergent concept rather than a fundamental aspect of physics. Participants seek introductory materials and suggest theories or papers that explore this idea, particularly in the context of string theory, classical quantum gravity (CQG), and alternative theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Mark, is researching different approaches to QG and classical QM that treat spacetime as emergent and seeks introductory material on the subject.
  • Ilja suggests a specific paper (gr-qc/0205035) as part of his approach to the topic.
  • Another participant references several papers by J. Barbour, including links to specific works and his book "The End of Times," as significant contributions to the discussion of emergent spacetime.
  • Fotini Markopoulou's work is mentioned, specifically a paper titled "Space does not exist, so time can," which addresses emergent spacetime concepts.
  • A reference to the work of Ambjorn, Jurkiewicz, and Loll on a self-organizing quantum universe is provided as another perspective on the topic.
  • Anton Zeilinger and Caslav Brukner's theories are noted for their emergentist elements, focusing on quantum information without reliance on spatial concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and approaches regarding emergent spacetime in QG and QM. There is no consensus on a single theory or approach, and various perspectives are shared without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a variety of papers and theories, indicating a rich but complex landscape of ideas. The discussion highlights the diversity of thought in the field, with no clear agreement on the most promising approaches.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students interested in quantum gravity, quantum mechanics, and the philosophical implications of emergent spacetime concepts may find this discussion relevant.

astroquest34@gmail.com
I'm beginning a research on the different approaches to QG (or also
calssical QM) where the attempt to introduce the notion of spacetime
as an emergent concept is made. I would like to find for introductory
material which describes in one (or few) papers these different
approaches giving first an overview on the subject. Can anyone suggest
some? If there is none, please suggest the approaches/theories/
speculations (in string theory, CQG, or even alternative theories) you
believe are actually the most interesting/promising in potentially
describing physics where space and time no longer is a foundation but
only a low energy emerging property.

Thank you, Mark.
 
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On 3 Nov., 16:23, "astroques...@gmail.com" <astroques...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm beginning a research on the different approaches to QG (or also
> calssical QM) where the attempt to introduce the notion of spacetime
> as an emergent concept is made.[/color]

See gr-qc/0205035 for my approach.

Ilja
 
astroquest34@gmail.com wrote:
> if there is none, please suggest the approaches/theories/
> speculations (in string theory, CQG, or even alternative theories) you
> believe are actually the most interesting/promising in potentially
> describing physics where space and time no longer is a foundation but
> only a low energy emerging property.[/color]

There is a number of penetrating papers by J. Barbour
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0309089
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0012089 (and other related papers
cited in the first reference above),
as well as his book "The End of Times", (Oxford Univ Press, 2000).

See also http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610061 (pages 107-163),
and a recent work http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.3660
for my approach.
 
Fotini Markopoulou write about emergent space-time.
Markopoulou, F.: Space does not exist, so time can. (2008) (http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/376)

Also
Ambjorn, J., Jurkiewicz, J., Loll, R.: Self-Organizing Quantum Universe. Sci. Am. Jun, 42-49 (2008)
Regards
 
Theory of Anton Zeilinger and Caslav Brukner have also elements of emergentism, because it concetrates on quantum information (qubit) so without space.
 

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