What Are the Energy Values and Probabilities for Two Particles in a 1D Box?

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The discussion revolves around two particles of different masses in a one-dimensional box, focusing on the energy values and probabilities associated with their states. Participants are exploring the implications of quantum mechanics principles related to wave functions and probability distributions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the energy values and their associated probabilities for the two particles, questioning the meaning and representation of their energy expression. There is also an inquiry into the probability of locating one particle within a specific interval.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing feedback on the correctness of the probabilities calculated. There are clarifications sought regarding the notation used and the interpretation of the energy formula. Multiple interpretations of the energy states and their summation are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the depth of exploration into the problem. There is a mention of confusion regarding notation and the representation of variables, indicating potential misunderstandings in the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement



If there are 2 particles of mass m1 and m2 in a one dimensional box of width a, I'm trying to find 1)what values will be found if the energy is measured, and with what probability these values will take occur. and 2) what is the probability of finding particle 1 with mass m1 in the interval (0,a/2) (all of this is at time t=0) (the particles are not symmetric)The wave equation is:



Homework Equations



\Psi (X1,X2,0)=(3\Phi7(X1)*\Phi6(X2)+8\Phi3(X1)*\Phi2(X2))/(sqrt(73))




The Attempt at a Solution




I ended up with energy E=(((n7)^2/(m1))+((n6)^2/(m2)))*\hbar^2*\pi^2/(2*a^2)+(((n3)^2/(m1))+((n2)^2/(m2)))*\hbar^2*\pi^2/(2*a^2))

With (9/73) chance for E7,6 and (64/73) chance for E3,2

Would anybody be able to tell me if what I have looks correct(and point me in the right direction if its not) and tell me where to start with the probability of finding particle 1 in the interval (0,a/2). I did change the values from the original equation. I'm really just interested in the principal behind this.
 
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nemisis42 said:
I ended up with energy E=(((n7)^2/(m1))+((n6)^2/(m2)))*\hbar^2*\pi^2/(2*a^2)+(((n3)^2/(m1))+((n2)^2/(m2)))*\hbar^2*\pi^2/(2*a^2))

With (9/73) chance for E7,6 and (64/73) chance for E3,2
Your probabilities are correct, but what exactly is your expression above for E supposed to represent? Your E is a single number, but you have two probabilities. And what are n7, n6, n3, and n2?
Would anybody be able to tell me if what I have looks correct(and point me in the right direction if its not) and tell me where to start with the probability of finding particle 1 in the interval (0,a/2). I did change the values from the original equation. I'm really just interested in the principal behind this.
The probability of finding particle 1 in the interval a ≤ x1 ≤ a+dx1 and particle 2 in interval b ≤ x2 ≤ b+dx2 is given by

P(a\le x_1 \le a+dx_1 , b\le x_2 \le b+dx_2) = \Psi^*(a,b)\Psi(a,b)\,dx_1\,dx_2

You need to integrate this function over the appropriate ranges to find the total probability.
 
vela said:
Your probabilities are correct, but what exactly is your expression above for E supposed to represent? Your E is a single number, but you have two probabilities. And what are n7, n6, n3, and n2?

The probability of finding particle 1 in the interval a ≤ x1 ≤ a+dx1 and particle 2 in interval b ≤ x2 ≤ b+dx2 is given by

P(a\le x_1 \le a+dx_1 , b\le x_2 \le b+dx_2) = \Psi^*(a,b)\Psi(a,b)\,dx_1\,dx_2

You need to integrate this function over the appropriate ranges to find the total probability.

Thanks a lot. I assumed the probability for finding particle 1 was something like that, but for some reason whenever I came across that formula, it was written in weird notation. Sorry for the energy formula. I was just learning how to use the latex reference. Below is what I would have for E7,6 with n7=7 and so on. I was just curious if there was something else I could do to simplify it.


\frac{ n<sub>7</sub> <sup>2</sup> } { m<sub>1</sub> } + ( \frac{ n<sub>6</sub> <sup>2</sup> }{ m<sub>2</sub> })\frac{ \hbar <sup>2</sup> \pi <sup>2</sup> }{2 a<sup>2</sup>}


I apologize again. This is the best I could do for the energy formula for the energy formula for the first one. the second part is hbar squared multiplied by Pi squared divided by 2 mulitplied by a squared, the first part is n subscript 7(which is 7) squared divided by mass 1 plus n subscript 6 divided by mass 2. Sorry for the confusion.

(n72/m1+ n62/m2)( \hbar 2/(2a2)
 
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Subscripts would typically used to indicate which particle a variable describes, not the value of the variable. You'd have n1=3 and n2=2 or n1=7 and n2=6.

I'm still not sure why you're summing the energies for the different states though.
 

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