What are the general equations of geodesics on a cylinder's surface?

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The discussion revolves around finding the general equations of geodesics on the surface of a cylinder. Participants explore various types of curves, their properties, and the implications of curvature on geodesics, with a focus on theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the general equation of geodesics on a cylinder's surface and inquires about the name of these curves.
  • Another participant suggests that the curves might be cycloids or proposes a new term "tehnos." However, this is challenged by a later reply stating they are not cycloids.
  • One participant proposes that circular helixes could represent the geodesics, providing a parametric equation for them.
  • It is noted that since a cylinder can be derived from a flat plane, straight lines on the plane correspond to helixes on the cylinder.
  • A question is raised about whether all geodesics are isomorphic under isometries when Gaussian curvature is equal between surfaces.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between geodesics on different surfaces, suggesting that geodesics can be associated through their inverse images in R².
  • One participant reflects on the nature of helices and distinguishes them from cycloids, which are described as curves traced by a point on a rolling circle.
  • It is mentioned that unrolling the cylinder to a rectangle simplifies the problem, indicating that the problem is relatively easy.
  • Discussion also touches on the implications of non-zero curvature surfaces and the conditions under which similar procedures might apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the types of curves that represent geodesics, with some proposing helixes while others suggest cycloids. There is no consensus on the naming or classification of these curves. The discussion about the relationship between geodesics on surfaces of different curvatures remains unresolved, with multiple perspectives presented.

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Participants assume certain conditions regarding the surfaces being discussed, such as connectedness and completeness, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon. The implications of Gaussian curvature on geodesics are also explored, but the discussion does not reach a definitive conclusion.

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Find a general equation of geodesics on cylinder's surface.
What's the name of these curves?
:cool:
 
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just a guess, cycloids? or if they are unnamed we can call them "tehnos"!
 
They are not cycloids mathwonk.Funny thing :the tehnicians of various fields are familar with them.The things shaped that way have interesting properties and important applications.
 
circular helixes?

A general param would be...

\gamma(t) = (a\cos(ct),a\sin(ct),bt)

up to a rigid motion
 
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quasar987 said:
circular helixes?

A general param would be...

\gamma(t) = (a\cos(ct),a\sin(ct),bt)

up to a rigid motion

Yes, because a cylinder is flat!
 
George Jones said:
Yes, because a cylinder is flat!
For a given value of "flat"

\kappa_1 \kappa_2 = 0 to be exact.

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As a minor point of interest, if one considers that the gauusian curvature of the cylinder is zero, and thus that we can form a cylinder from a flat plane, then straight lines on the plane, become helixs on the cylinder.

But is it true that all geodesics are isomorphic under an isometry of this kind. If the gaussian curvature between two surface is equal, can we identify geodesics on one surface with those on the other?
 
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ObsessiveMathsFreak said:
But is it true that all geodesics are isomorphic under an isometry of this kind. If the gaussian curvature between two surface is equal, can we identify geodesics on one surface with those on the other?

Well, the simply-connected cover of both surfaces is the plane and each geodesic of a given surface is the image of a line in the plane under the covering map. So, I think the answer is, yes (sort of): given a geodesic on one surface, we look at its inverse image in R^2. This will be a family of lines (maybe infinite, maybe not). Then take the geodesics in the second surface corresponding to those lines.

So, we can associate a family of geodesics of one surface for every geodesic of the other.
 
i think i was thinking of helices. i gues cycloids are those curves you get when you mark a point on a penny and roll it right?
 
it is a pretty easy problem since all you have to do is unroll the cylinder to a rectangle.
 
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Doodle Bob said:
So, I think the answer is, yes (sort of): given a geodesic on one surface, we look at its inverse image in R^2.
But, what about surfaces with non zero curvature?
 
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ObsessiveMathsFreak said:
But, what about surfaces with non zero curvature?

Yeah, I guess you could do the same procedure for the non-zero curvature as long as its constant.

For constant negative Gaussian curv., the simply-connected cover would be the hyperbolic plane. For positive, it would be the 2-sphere.

of course, I'm assuming the two surfaces have the same curvature *and* that there isn't anything too aberrant about either's topology, i.e. both are connected and complete (when unioned with its boundary) etc. etc.
 
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mathwonk said:
it is a pretty easy problem since all you have to do is unroll the cylinder to a rectangle.

That's why I classified the problem under "easy".
Helices ,as quasar987 said, is the correct answer.:smile:
 

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