What are the image and kernel of matrices A and B?

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The discussion revolves around finding the image and kernel of two matrices, A and B. Matrix A is a row matrix, while matrix B is a 2x2 matrix. Participants express confusion regarding the definitions and calculations related to these concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to define the image and kernel based on their understanding of linear combinations and span. There are questions about the redundancy of certain vectors in the context of linear dependence. Some participants explore the implications of the definitions and seek clarification on the calculations involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts, with some participants providing guidance on the definitions of image and kernel. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being discussed, and participants are questioning their own understanding and calculations without reaching a consensus.

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Some participants mention the formal definitions in their textbooks as confusing, which may affect their ability to apply the concepts correctly. There is also a discussion about the linear dependence of vectors in matrix B, which is relevant to determining the image and kernel.

  • #31
I tried an example with three x's and made up the value for 2 and solved for the last but i ended up with 2 different values for that x one for each equation, but they didnt work for both
 
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  • #32
toothpaste666 said:
so a nontrivial relation would be
for the 2x2 matrix B would be
5\begin{bmatrix}2\\6\end{bmatrix} + \frac{-10}{3}\begin{bmatrix}3\\9\end{bmatrix} = 0
Sure, that works. A simpler example is
##1\begin{bmatrix}2\\6\end{bmatrix} + \frac{-2}{3}\begin{bmatrix}3\\9\end{bmatrix} = 0##
 
  • #33
toothpaste666 said:
I tried an example with three x's and made up the value for 2 and solved for the last but i ended up with 2 different values for that x one for each equation, but they didnt work for both
Which matrix are you referring to here?
 
  • #34
I wanted to find a nontrivial relation between the column vectors
\begin{bmatrix}1\\2\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}2\\3\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}3\\4\end{bmatrix}
so i picked
x_1 \begin{bmatrix}1\\2\end{bmatrix} + 2 \begin{bmatrix}2\\3\end{bmatrix} + 3 \begin{bmatrix}3\\4\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1\\2x_1\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}4\\6\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}9\\12\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1 + 4 + 9\\2x_1 + 6 + 12\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1 + 13\\2x_1 + 18\end{bmatrix}
so for the top row x1 = -13
and for the bottom row x1 = -9 but if i plug either of this into x1 in the first step neither of them work
 
  • #35
toothpaste666 said:
I wanted to find a nontrivial relation between the column vectors
\begin{bmatrix}1\\2\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}2\\3\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}3\\4\end{bmatrix}
This is a different problem from the two you posted at the start of this thread (so you should have started a new thread...)
The advice I gave about picking two of the constants applied only to matrix A. It doesn't apply to this matrix.

What you're doing here is to solve this matrix equation for the constants:
$$\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 & 3 \\ 2 & 3 & 4\end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} c_1 \\ c_2 \\ c_3\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}$$
To do this, row reduce the matrix on the left. Once the matrix is reduced, you can read off the constants.
toothpaste666 said:
so i picked
x_1 \begin{bmatrix}1\\2\end{bmatrix} + 2 \begin{bmatrix}2\\3\end{bmatrix} + 3 \begin{bmatrix}3\\4\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1\\2x_1\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}4\\6\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}9\\12\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1 + 4 + 9\\2x_1 + 6 + 12\end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix}x_1 + 13\\2x_1 + 18\end{bmatrix}
so for the top row x1 = -13
and for the bottom row x1 = -9 but if i plug either of this into x1 in the first step neither of them work
 
  • #36
oops sorry! that makes sense. is the reason that only applies to A because it is a square matrix?
 
  • #37
toothpaste666 said:
oops sorry! that makes sense. is the reason that only applies to A because it is a square matrix?
A is not a square matrix: it is 3 X 1. B is a square matrix. The vectors in post #34 are unrelated to the A and B matrices.

Please start a new thread.
 

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