What Are the Images and Pre-Images of Intervals Under a Squaring Function?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of a squaring function defined on real numbers, specifically examining the images and pre-images of intervals under this function. Participants are tasked with determining the outputs of the function when applied to various subsets of real numbers, including closed and open intervals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of applying the squaring function to different intervals and question how to justify the resulting sets. There is discussion about the need to sketch graphs to visualize the function's behavior and to prove the ranges of outputs. Some participants express uncertainty about whether they need to provide formal proofs for each result.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the ranges of outputs and the nature of the pre-image function. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of justifying answers and the distinction between pre-images and inverse functions. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the handling of negative values and the completeness of the sets being described.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration and the methods they feel comfortable using. There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and properties of the squaring function, particularly in relation to real numbers and the intervals provided.

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Homework Statement



If A and B are sets and f : A → B, then for any subset S of A we define:

f(S) = {b ∈ B : b = f(a) for some a ∈ S}

Similarly, for any subset T of B we define the pre-image of T as:

f^{-1}(T) = {a ∈ A : f(a) ∈ T}

Note that f^{-1}(T) is well defined even if f does not have an inverse.

Now let f : R → R be defined as f(x) = x^{2}

Let S1 denote the closed interval [−2, 1], and let S2 be the open interval (−1, 2). Also let T1 = S1 and T2 = S2.

Determine:

f(S1 ∪ S2)

f(S1) ∪ f(S2)

f(S1 ∩ S2)

f(S1) ∩ f(S2)

f^{-1}(T1 ∪ T2)

f^{-1}(T1) ∪ f^{-1}(T2)

f^{-1}(T1 ∩ T2)

f^{-1}(T1) ∩ f^{-1}(T2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I think I'm being asked to verify that each subset satisfies "some b = f(a) for some a ∈ S" where S is the subset i have to compute.

For example, the first question is f(S1 U S2) = f( [-2,2) ).

My question is, what do i have to do next? I can't plug in every value x where -2 =< x < 2 since I'm using real numbers.
 
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twoski said:
For example, the first question is f(S1 U S2) = f( [-2,2) ).
Yes.
I can't plug in every value x where -2 =< x < 2 since I'm using real numbers.
Of course you can't, but if you sketch a graph of the function it will suggest an answer which you can then set about proving.
 
Well since my first answer has a range spanning from -2 up to but not including 2, it is one-to-one. The question wants me to answer whether or not every value passed to the function will map to one value, i think.

It's easy for me to see that f( [-2,2) ) is valid, but how would i go about showing it? The question doesn't explicitly ask me to solve anything, it just says "determine" so maybe the answer is just f( [-2,2) )... Bah, now I'm all paranoid that I'm missing something...
 
twoski said:
Well since my first answer has a range spanning from -2 up to but not including 2, it is one-to-one.
How so? 1-1 would mean that no two values in [-2,2) get mapped by f to the same value. False for f(x)=x2, surely.
The question wants me to answer whether or not every value passed to the function will map to one value, i think.
No, it's asking for the set of values obtained by applying the function to all the numbers in the range [-2,2).
 
Could i denote the set of values as [0,4]? Since we're working with real numbers it wouldn't be feasible to list all of the possible values.
 
twoski said:
Could i denote the set of values as [0,4]? Since we're working with real numbers it wouldn't be feasible to list all of the possible values.

Yes. That is the correct answer. But can you justify it?? Can you actually prove that f([-2,2])=[0,4]??
 
Would it be sufficient to say that for every value x in (-2,2], f(x) will be no less than 0 and no greater than 4? I mean, there doesn't seem to be any other way to put it. I can't invert the function and plug in 0 and 4, so all i can really do is plug in the important values in my domain (ie. -1.99999, 0, 2)

I finished the rest of them...

f(S1) U f(S2) = f( [-2,1] ) U f( (-1,2) ) = [1,4] U (1,4) = [1,4]

f(S1 ∩ S2) = f( (-1,1] ) = [0,1]

f(S1) ∩ f(S2) = f( [-2,1] ) ∩ f( (-1,2) ) = [1,4] ∩ (1,4) = (1,4)

I'm starting to wonder whether i have to actually prove my answer for each question, it seems like it would be a bit redundant... Maybe i am just supposed to show the range and that's it?

The second part with the inverse is confusing to me.

f'(T1 U T2) = f'( [-2,2) )

So the result of this would be every number x where x^{2} \in [-2,2) or in other words, the square roots of every number in [-2,2), i think. Which would give me a messy result.
 
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twoski said:
Would it be sufficient to say that for every value x in (-2,2], f(x) will be no less than 0 and no greater than 4?
That shows f(S1 U S2) \subseteq [0,4]. Also need to show the converse.
f(S1) U f(S2) = f( [-2,1] ) U f( (-1,2) ) = [1,4] U (1,4) = [1,4]
No. Please do sketch the graph in each case. What does f look like over [-2,1]?
f(S1 ∩ S2) = f( (-1,1] ) = [0,1]
Yes.
f(S1) ∩ f(S2) = f( [-2,1] ) ∩ f( (-1,2) ) = [1,4] ∩ (1,4) = (1,4)
No.
The second part with the inverse is confusing to me.
f'(T1 U T2) = f'( [-2,2) )
So the result of this would be every number x where x^{2} \in [-2,2)
Every real number x, that is
or in other words, the square roots of every number in [-2,2)
No, that's not the same. There are two differences. First, you don't have to have a square root for every number. There is no real number for which the square is -1, so the answer will not include a square root of -1. Secondly, 'the square root' of a positive number is generally defined to mean the positive square root, but here we want every real number that has a square in the desired range.
This question illustrates the difference between a pre-image function, as can be applied to sets, and an inverse function as applied to the values.
 
haruspex said:
No, that's not the same. There are two differences. First, you don't have to have a square root for every number. There is no real number for which the square is -1, so the answer will not include a square root of -1. Secondly, 'the square root' of a positive number is generally defined to mean the positive square root, but here we want every real number that has a square in the desired range.
This question illustrates the difference between a pre-image function, as can be applied to sets, and an inverse function as applied to the values.

So the answer to f^{-1}( [-2,2) ) is the set of real numbers obtained through x^{2} in [-2,2)

Would i do this with set builder notation? The answer can't be [0,1.4142]..
 
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twoski said:
So the answer to f^{-1}( [-2,2) ) is the set of real numbers obtained through x^{2} in [-2,2)

Would i do this with set builder notation? The answer can't be [0,1.4142]..
No, but that's nearly right. Check the bounds.
 
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So if i were to write it as [0, √2], would that technically be correct? This solution doesn't account for negative numbers, which throws me off.
 
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twoski said:
So if i were to write it as [0, √2], would that technically be correct? This solution doesn't account for negative numbers, which throws me off.
As I said, that's nearly right. Are the squares of all numbers in that range contained within [-2,2)?
 

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