Abstract Vector Basis: Necessary & Sufficient Condition for Plane Representation

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The problem involves determining a necessary and sufficient condition for two vectors in the plane, represented as linear combinations, to span the entire plane. The vectors are defined in terms of their components along the i and j axes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions under which a vector can be expressed as a linear combination of the two given vectors. Questions arise about the implications of having zero vectors or equal vectors, and the nature of the coefficients required for representation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various cases that may restrict the coefficients of the vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expression of unknowns in terms of known quantities, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering specific scenarios, such as the presence of zero vectors or the equality of the two vectors, which may affect the ability to span the plane.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that ## u = s_1i + s_2j ## and ## v = t_1i + t_2j ##, where s1, s2, t1 and t2 are real
numbers. Find a necessary and sufficient condition on these real numbers
such that every vector in the plane of i and j can be expressed as a linear
combination of the vectors u and v.

Homework Equations



We shall need to consider directed line segments, and we denote the directed
line segment from the point a to the point b by [a, b]. Specifically, [a, b] is the
set of points {a + t(b − a) : 0 ≤ t ≤ 1},

The Attempt at a Solution


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Phrase it this way: if ##\vec w = x \; \hat\imath + y \; \hat \jmath## then what do you have to do to write it as ## \vec w = a \; \vec u + b\; \vec v## ?
When can you do that and when can you not do that ?
 
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BvU said:
Phrase it this way: if ##\vec w = x \; \hat\imath + y \; \hat \jmath## then what do you have to do to write it as ## \vec w = a \; \vec u + b\; \vec v## ?
When can you do that and when can you not do that ?

## \vec u = s_1 \vec i+ s_2 \vec j ##

## \vec v = t_1 \vec i+ t_2 \vec j ##

## x = a s_1 + b t_1 ##

## y = a s_2 + b t_2 ##
 
PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
## \vec u = s_1 \vec i+ s_2 \vec j ##

## \vec v = t_1 \vec i+ t_2 \vec j ##

## x = a s_1 + b t_1 ##

## y = a s_2 + b t_2 ##
Is it always possible to solve for a and b? What if u or v is the zero vector? What if u and v are equal? What if u is a nonzero multiple of v?

You have a very simple space here -- the plane. The question boils down to this: what does it take for two vectors to span a plane?
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
## \vec u = s_1 \vec i+ s_2 \vec j ##

## \vec v = t_1 \vec i+ t_2 \vec j ##

## x = a s_1 + b t_1 ##

## y = a s_2 + b t_2 ##
So, try to solve for a and b and see what you get !
 
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I believe I have only found two/three cases that restrict the coefficients of u and v. I have attached my solution.
 

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Solving for a and b means you express the unknowns a and b in terms of the knowns, x, y, s1, s2, t1 and t2.
 

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