What are the key factors affecting high speed train aerodynamics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the factors affecting high-speed train aerodynamics, particularly in relation to estimating drag coefficients for train coaches. Participants share resources and insights related to aerodynamic principles, challenges faced by high-speed trains, and relevant literature.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests resources on high-speed train aerodynamics for a summer project involving drag coefficient estimation using software.
  • Another participant suggests that the aerodynamic principles for trains should be similar to those for cars, providing a link to a document that includes drag coefficients and equations.
  • A different participant critiques the provided link, noting it lacks detailed aerodynamic analysis and highlights a specific issue with high-speed trains: the challenges posed by compression waves when entering tunnels, which can disrupt aerodynamic performance.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance and depth of the provided resources, and there is no consensus on the best approach to understanding high-speed train aerodynamics or the specific challenges involved.

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Some limitations include the lack of detailed aerodynamic analysis in the shared resource and the need for further exploration of the effects of compression waves in tunnels on train performance.

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Hi, can anyone please tell me any good book on the subject, even any research paper will do, we are actually doing summer project in which we are estimating the drag coefficient on the bluff body like train Coach, using commercial softwares like Fluent n Gambit.Please if anyone has the info regarding the high speeed aerodynamics then pls share it with me

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Himanshu
 
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Since it is a train, it should be the same principles used on cars.

The aerodynamics should be very very close if not identical.

http://www.me.ttu.edu/UserFiles/File/Maxwell%20Spr%2006%20Auto%20Sys/Accel%20&%20Res%20to%20Motion.pdf

Try that file. I don't know how long it will be up so you may want to save it. It has some aerodynamic stuff regarding drag coefficients and drag equations.

Hopefully that helps at least a little.
 
mpm said:
http://www.me.ttu.edu/UserFiles/File/Maxwell%20Spr%2006%20Auto%20Sys/Accel%20&%20Res%20to%20Motion.pdf

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I hope the OP wants to do something more elaborated. I still don't see where is the aerodynamics in your link. There are only tables and coefficients.

I am not an expert in hs train aerodyn, but as far as I know there is currently one issue of interest. HS trains get usually in troubles when passing through tunnels. That's because of the compression wave which travels in the air standing inside the tunnel casued when the train gets in. That wave breaks the aerodynamic performance of the train. Even though the wave may travel faster than the train, the successive reflections at the end of the tunnel flow again over the train. In fact that's a nice problem of propagation along characteristics and Riemann invariants.
 
thnks for info clausius
 

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