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The discussion centers on the electoral significance of Hispanic and Black voters in the upcoming Obama-McCain election, highlighting that New Mexico's 5 electoral votes may not be pivotal despite its Hispanic population. Eligible Hispanic voters total approximately 17 million, while Black voters are around 24 million, compared to 151 million White voters, indicating a demographic imbalance. Concerns are raised about the potential impact of a Hispanic vice-presidential candidate for Obama, with opinions divided on whether it would significantly sway Hispanic votes. The conversation also touches on the importance of the vice-presidential picks for both candidates, especially considering McCain's age and the historical context of racial tensions surrounding Obama. Overall, the thread emphasizes the need for informed discussions about voter demographics and electoral strategies as the election approaches.

Who will win the General Election?

  • Obama by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Obama by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • McCain by over 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • McCain by under 15 Electoral Votes

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Total voters
    32
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For the first time I heard today the McCain campaign saying it has been targeting smaller pockets of voters with targeted messages and this is why his events are not as large as Obama's.

This is apparently the equivalent of the size doesn't matter, it's how you use it argument.

Today McCain will be on his Hogwash Express motoring across Ohio, making stops in small towns hoping to get out the vote there by repeating the same empty rhetoric he has been shoveling recently. Doesn't he know they have TV in Ohio? And they will have heard his repetitive shtick before?
 
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McCain camp trying to scapegoat Palin
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081030/pl_politico/15073
John McCain's campaign is looking for a scapegoat. It is looking for someone to blame if McCain loses on Tuesday.

And it has decided on Sarah Palin.

In recent days, a McCain “adviser” told Dana Bash of CNN: “She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone.”

Imagine not taking advice from the geniuses at the McCain campaign. What could Palin be thinking?

Also, a “top McCain adviser” told Mike Allen of Politico that Palin is “a whack job.”

Maybe she is. But who chose to put this “whack job” on the ticket? Wasn’t it John McCain? And wasn’t it his first presidential-level decision?

And if you are a 72-year-old presidential candidate, wouldn’t you expect that your running mate’s fitness for high office would come under a little extra scrutiny? And, therefore, wouldn’t you make your selection with care? (To say nothing about caring about the future of the nation?)

. . . .
Unbelieveable! This does not sound like a winning campaign.

Compare that to this:

Obama says would include Republicans in cabinet
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081030/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_obama_transition

SUNRISE, Florida (Reuters) – U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday he would include Republicans in his Cabinet if he wins the election.

Obama, a Democratic senator from Illinois, also said he had "some pretty good ideas" about people he might tap for senior government jobs, though he emphasized he is focused for now on the final days of the campaign and takes nothing for granted.

"There is a transition process -- that I'm not paying attention to on a day-to-day basis -- but that has been set up," Obama told ABC News in an interview.

Obama said he "absolutely" considered it important to have Republicans in the Cabinet but he sidestepped a question on whether he would ask Defense Secretary Robert Gates to remain in his job. There has been speculation that either Obama or his Republican rival, John McCain, might ask Gates to stay on.

"I'm not going to get into details," Obama said, but he added that national security policy, in particular, should be nonpartisan.

Other people mentioned as possible defense secretary picks in an Obama administration include former Navy Secretary Richard Danzig and Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Republican senator from Nebraska.

. . . .
I wonder if George H. W. Bush will vote for Obama, especially after McCain has trashed his son?
 
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LowlyPion said:
For the first time I heard today the McCain campaign saying it has been targeting smaller pockets of voters with targeted messages and this is why his events are not as large as Obama's.

This is apparently the equivalent of the size doesn't matter, it's how you use it argument.

Today McCain will be on his Hogwash Express motoring across Ohio, making stops in small towns hoping to get out the vote there by repeating the same empty rhetoric he has been shoveling recently. Doesn't he know they have TV in Ohio? And they will have heard his repetitive shtick before?

Hogwash Express ... :smile:...I'm so stealing that, LP!
 
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mathwonk said:
it seems he (Obama) feels he has sewn up the votes of intelligent people and was going now after the votes of idiots.
Don't feel bad. Assuming your IQ is over 100, most people are not as smart as you are, and the candidates have to appeal to most people. The price of democracy is eternal mediocrity.
 
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lisab said:
Hogwash Express ... :smile:...I'm so stealing that, LP!
No kidding. All right LP, what size shoes do you wear?
 
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Evo said:
No kidding. All right LP, what size shoes do you wear?

Whatever size is big enough for my feet.
 
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Astronuc said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081030/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_obama_transition

... Obama said, but he added that national security policy, in particular, should be nonpartisan.

In addition to Chuck Hagel I'd think Colin Powell. He didn't rule it out when he said he would vote Obama.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
The price of democracy is eternal mediocrity.

I thought that just applied to network TV.
 
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Will this affect the elections?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4e402dec-...uid=f2b40164-cfea-11dc-9309-0000779fd2ac.html
Cuba to triple oil refining with Venezuelan ally
HAVANA, Oct 28 - Revolutionary allies Cuba and Venezuela will pour billions of dollars into downstream oil projects in Cuba with the goal of tripling its refining capacity to 350,000 barrels per day (bpd) by 2013, Cuban state-run radio said on Tuesday, citing the country’s Basic Industry Minister.
 
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Et tu Neil Cavuto?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWiJSJkS48c
 
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McCain's getting pretty desperate. This morning, he held a rally in Defiance, OH in front of 6000 people. The trouble with that is that over 4000 of them were school children bused into provide a crowd. Hmmm... Also, Joe the Plumber stiffed him.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx
 
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turbo-1 said:
McCain's getting pretty desperate. This morning, he held a rally in Defiance, OH in front of 6000 people. The trouble with that is that over 4000 of them were school children bused into provide a crowd. Hmmm...
Have they thought of just using mirrors?
 
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mgb_phys said:
Have they thought of just using mirrors?
School-kids are cheaper, they want a day off from school, and they can line themselves up on the bleachers, and walk out under their own power when the gig is over. Saves a lot of set-up and production money.
 
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turbo-1 said:
McCain's getting pretty desperate. This morning, he held a rally in Defiance, OH in front of 6000 people. The trouble with that is that over 4000 of them were school children bused into provide a crowd. Hmmm... Also, Joe the Plumber stiffed him.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx

I watched that. You'd think he would have made sure Joe was actually there before exposing his senility any more than necessary.

Too bad the kids didn't break into a chant of Obama Obama Obama. That would have been just too sweet for words.

But as the Republicans are saying now "It's not how big the crowds are. It's how they use them."

Was it good for you?
 
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What if? An interesting analysis.

McCain, Obama: White House or bust?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081030/pl_politico/15101

The loser of the looming Barack Obama-John McCain contest is entitled to a consolation prize: an all-expenses-paid, one-way ticket back to the United States Senate.

An Obama loss would shake American politics to its core, but the candidate said Wednesday that he’d adapt to life as a high-profile foot soldier in the Senate’s Democratic majority.

McCain hasn’t said whether he’d return to the Senate if he loses his White House bid — and his campaign is bristling at the very suggestion.

“McCain doesn’t plan on returning to the Senate,” McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said Wednesday. “He plans on winning the election because he’s absolutely qualified to be president of the United States.”

But friends and GOP insiders who’ve taken a sober look at the polls expect to see McCain back at the Capitol come January — and maybe even as early as a lame-duck session scheduled to start two weeks after the election. They’re just not sure what role he will play there.

“I think John will return to the Senate,” says a longtime friend of McCain’s. “The question is whether he’ll return to be a constructive force or whether he’ll be embittered. Only John can answer that.”

Operatives in both parties say that Obama’s defeat would have a tectonic impact outside of Washingtonsetting off a massive wave of angry soul-searching among Democrats who turned self-flagellation into an art form after a pair of losses to George W. Bush.

Yet Obama’s return wouldn’t greatly change the political order of the Senate. Still a freshman, the junior senator from Illinois would join Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and John F. Kerry (D- Mass.) in the We-Were-Almost-President Caucus, and he’d still have to abide by the dictates set by a stable Democratic leadership which seems certain to pick up seats regardless of Obama’s fate.

Asked about a possible return, Obama told ABC’s Charles Gibson Wednesday: “I’m a relatively young man. You know, they say there’s no second acts in politics. But you know, I think there are enough exceptions out there that I think I could envision returning to the Senate and just doing some terrific work with the next president and the next Congress.”

McCain, by contrast, would have the potential to be a much bigger player in a much smaller, more troubled caucus.

“McCain is going to return to a shattered party,” said Republican strategist John Feehery, who was a senior aide to former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). “But he’ll still be the biggest name in the Senate and the biggest name in Republican politics, and I think some people will rely on him to be the voice during these times… It’ll be up to him on whether he gives up or helps re-brand the party.”

“The problem is way bigger than John McCain,” said a top Republican staffer who has worked in both houses. “We don’t have any ideas, and we need ideas to connect” with independents.

But just because McCain has pushed a “maverick” reform agenda as a presidential candidate doesn’t mean his GOP colleagues in the Senate will let him do the same for them. Senior Republican aides say McCain’s willingness to challenge party leaders on immigration and earmarks has made him unpopular — and that losing the presidential election wouldn’t do much to burnish his reputation.

“Like John Kerry, who came back and went underground, McCain will likely return to Washington to find that he’s not the leader of his party,” said one top GOP Senate aide.
. . . .
I guess we'll see next Wednesday. Only 6 more days to find out who the next president is.
 
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LowlyPion said:
But as the Republicans are saying now "It's not how big the crowds are. It's how they use them."

Was it good for you?
I have a friend of French-Canadian heritage who makes a self-deprecating joke:

Her: "Who are you going to please with that little thing?"
Him: "Me"
 
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My god, McCain is so bad. Please don't disappoint me my fellow Americans. Please don't make me witness McCain winning on election night. America will cease to exist in my head if this happens. Don't die on me now America. Fire at least one neuron in your brain and pull the lever for Obama. That's all the thinking capacity you need for this decision. We're not asking you to do rocket science, but to think clearly for five seconds and to pull the lever for Obama. Do not let the sultry looks of Sarah Palin fool you. She espouses decaying and nonsensical values that would shake the core of America's values. She is anti-research and anti-freedom of speech. She's a fascist secretly in disguise. So I beg of you America to think clearly for five seconds on election night and to pull the damn lever for Obama!
 
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turbo-1 said:
I have a friend of French-Canadian heritage who makes a self-deprecating joke:

Her: "Who are you going to please with that little thing?"
Him: "Me"

Self-defecating humor.

McCain is in danger of losing Arizona! RCP has McCain ahead by only five points. They moved Az from solid, to leaning McCain.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/az/arizona_mccain_vs_obama-570.html

CNN shows McCain ahead by 7 in Az. They reported yesterday that GOP sponsored robocalls are now active in McCain's home State.
 
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Re: Obama appointing Republicans to his cabinet. Apparently the idea is if the Democrats have 59 seats, you pick the a moderate Republican senator (who's least likely to do harm by being in your cabinet), who comes from a state with a Democratic governor. The senator accepts the promotion, especially considering he'll get nothing done in the next two years of the Senate anyway, and the governor replaces him with a Democrat, giving them a filibuster proof Senate. It's not always as bi-partisan as you think it is
 
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Here is what The Economist had to say about McCain last year.

Mr McCain is such a familiar figure that it is easy to forget how remarkable he is. He fought heroically in Vietnam, spending more than five years as a prisoner-of-war, when many other politicians of his generation discovered, like Dick Cheney, that they had “other priorities”. He has repeatedly risked his political career by backing unpopular causes.

Mr McCain's qualifications extend beyond character. Take experience. His range of interests as a senator has been remarkable, extending from immigration to business regulation. He knows as much about foreign affairs and military issues as anybody in public life. Or take judgment. True, he has a reputation as a hothead. But he's a hothead who cools down. He does not nurse grudges or agonise about vast conspiracies like some of his colleagues in the Senate. He has also been right about some big issues. He was the first senior Republican to criticize George Bush for invading Iraq with too few troops, and the first to call for Donald Rumsfeld's sacking. He is one of the few Republicans to propose sensible policies on immigration and global warming.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?STORY_ID=10251179

Doggone liberal media.
 
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I get it! The media is liberal if they support anyone but a Republican! I get it now!

Wheww, it never made sense before.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I get it! The media is liberal if they support anyone but a Republican! I get it now!

Wheww, it never made sense before.

Don't you realize that being liberal means you support the death of the world? Republicans don't want no stinkin public service. If you get shot in the leg, you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and carry on. What's with all of these handouts of sending people to the ER in situations like that? Now anyone can exploit the system! Someone will purposely shoot themselves in the leg just to get a free trip. It's backwards thinking I tell you!
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Re: Obama appointing Republicans to his cabinet. Apparently the idea is if the Democrats have 59 seats, you pick the a moderate Republican senator (who's least likely to do harm by being in your cabinet), who comes from a state with a Democratic governor. The senator accepts the promotion, especially considering he'll get nothing done in the next two years of the Senate anyway, and the governor replaces him with a Democrat, giving them a filibuster proof Senate. It's not always as bi-partisan as you think it is

So then we can expect Obama to appoint only one R Senator from a State with a Dem Governer.

Is Powell a Senator? Hmmmm, your theory isn't looking good.
 
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McCain would probably appoint Joe the Plumber to his cabinet
 
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Interesting piece on Obama and his views on the Constitution, and possible choices for Supreme Court Justices.

Law School Past Shapes Obama's View On Justices
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96337196
by Nina Totenberg
What The Founders Meant

Obama's book The Audacity of Hope devotes an entire chapter to the subject. In it, he confesses to having some sympathy for conservative Justice Antonin Scalia's view that the Constitution's language is perfectly clear on some matters and can be strictly applied. But in the end, Obama writes, much of the Constitution speaks in generalities that cannot tell us what the Founding Fathers would have thought about modern dilemmas: whether, for example, the National Security Agency's data mining is constitutional, or what freedom of speech means in the context of the Internet.

"Anyone like Justice Scalia looking to resolve our modern constitutional dispute through strict construction has one big problem," Obama writes. "The founders themselves disagreed profoundly, vehemently, on the meaning of their masterpiece."

The professorial Obama is on display in this chapter, refusing to provide simple answers or formulas, and rejecting so-called bright lines. "Its not just absolute power that the founders sought to guard against," he writes. "Implicit in its structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty, was a rejection of absolute truth — the infallibility of any idea or ideology, or theology, or 'ism', any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course."

Obama concludes the chapter by lauding the founders' end product: "The Constitution envisions a road map by which we marry passion to reason — the ideal of individual freedom to the demands of community. And the amazing thing is that it has worked."

Obama The Constitutionalist

University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein has known Obama since they both taught at the law school. Sunstein points out that we have not had a constitutional law specialist in the White House in an exceptionally long time — perhaps not since the early days of the republic.

Former Bush Associate White House Counsel Brad Berenson, who nearly 20 years ago worked with Obama as an editor at the Harvard Law Review, does not share Obama's politics. But Berenson recognizes that the Democrat [Obama] is far more knowledgeable than McCain when it comes to the courts. Berenson predicts that Obama's background in constitutional issues "may mean that a President Obama takes more personal interest and more of a personal hand in his judicial appointments than a President McCain would."
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Ivan Seeking said:
Here is what The Economist had to say about McCain last year. Doggone liberal media.

That was irony, The Economist is so conservative it makes the Wall St Journal look like the Socialist Worker. For TE to come out for anyone left of Cheney is a bit of shock.
 
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Astronuc said:
Interesting piece on Obama and his views on the Constitution, and possible choices for Supreme Court Justices.

Law School Past Shapes Obama's View On Justices
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96337196
by Nina Totenberg

But Berenson recognizes that the Democrat [Obama] is far more knowledgeable than McCain when it comes to the courts. Berenson predicts that Obama's background in constitutional issues "may mean that a President Obama takes more personal interest and more of a personal hand in his judicial appointments than a President McCain would."

I think this topic is discussed in the Interview on Rachel Maddow on MSNBC this evening. I heard him talk about this in an excerpt and it was exactly about this.
 
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mgb_phys said:
That was irony, The Economist is so conservative it makes the Wall St Journal look like the Socialist Worker. For TE to come out for anyone left of Cheney is a bit of shock.

Especially after Sarah Palin claims that's what she reads - like she's ever cracked a cover page.
 
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Breaking news: McCain campaigning for future presidential candidate of 2012, Sarah Palin

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/105412/mccain_busses_in_4,000_school_kids_to_fill_crowd/

The most cringe-worthy political moment of the day, so far, came when Sen. John McCain called out for his new buddy Joe the Plumber to stand up at a rally in Ohio, only to be greeted with confused silence. Joe the Plumber wasn't there.


But that rally featured another embarrassing moment, one that illustrates a far more troubling dynamic for the Republican ticket. The McCain campaign actually had to bus in school kids from the surrounding area in order to fill the event. As reported by MSNBC:


A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses.

McCain is really taking it home with these illegible voters. 4 years from now, they will be prep and ready to vote for Palin.
 
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mathwonk said:
this year it seems to me obama has been so universally appealing to ordinary people that he has shaken loose mounds of money never before dreamt of by democratic candidates.

I just received this email from the Obama campaign.

I'm the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama's campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.

I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what's happening right now.

This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day -- and at the moment we're doing it without a safety net.

Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain's negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.

As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we're facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.

Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/RNCadvantage2?source=20081030_MM_D2

My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.

Thank you,

MM

Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America

I did send more money, of course! I'll send blood if it would help. But even with Obama's incredible success in fund raising, it's hard to compete with old RNC money.
 
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LowlyPion said:
Especially after Sarah Palin claims that's what she reads - like she's ever cracked a cover page.

Since it's published in London - please tell me she asked what language they speak over there!
 
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mgb_phys said:
Since it's published in London - please tell me she asked what language they speak over there!

After the Katy Couric interview when she sputtered that she read whatever was put in front of her, the next day in the warm embrace of Fox's Carl Crawford he lobbed her a fat one where she said something like she was peeved at the question like in Alaska they don't get things to read so she was just being flip, but that of course she read things like The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal and The Economist.

Personally I'd be curious to know how many issues of the Economist are even delivered to Alaska, much less read by this ignorant Palin person. I found it offensive that she was so dishonest that she would stoop to lie about it. 5 kids and she's allegedly the Governor and she has time to read the Economist? Oh please. Lies. Lies. Damn Lies.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Wisconsin has it too :)

I just sent mine in today. I voted for McCain.

I figured it out. The guy that I voted for, and who got the most votes in 2000, was ixnayed.
The guy I voted for in 2004 wasn't elected president either.

Duhhhh... Vote for the guy you don't want to win!
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Ok... Really... My chad is hanging on Obama...

sorry to hide my real thoughts today behind faux signatory lines and sizes, but I'm really excited about all this change!

btw. my commodities broker said that if I wanted to play the market(now that it has been properly corrected) that I should get a sharebuilders.com account. I did that yesterday and will now invest some odd quantity of expendable cash into things I think will improve the planet (and my portfolio).
 
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i may send obama more but not the weasally democratic senatorial campaign. their ads here are almost as bad as the republicans'.

i know the democrats will govern better, but still they should not lie and mislead to win.

unlike what huey long thought, the ends do not justify the means. (he excused his dishonest campaigns saying, "first you must take power, then you can do good.") this is a tempting way to justify bad behavior, but one must resist it.
 
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There is something seriously wrong with Fox.

They sent out a reporter and ambushed Rashid Khalidi. The poor fellow was trapped in an elevator with a woman possibly his wife and a child in a stroller while the reporter shoved a microphone at him and started spewing the Fox Right Wing rubbish at him, preventing the door from closing. It was as close to assault as you can get. I'd suggest Khalidi get a cease and desist against these nut balls.

Now Hannity claims he has a book written by Ayers and Bernadine Dorn back in 1974 that alleges a dedication to all political prisoners in the US and included on this list of dozens and dozens of names is Sirhan Sirhan. Then they followed up with Ann Coulter nearly screaming about what an outrage.

And now they have Dick Morris talking about all the young people being driven from Obama now by ... taxes? Oh give me a break. Their bald attempts at divisiveness is bordering on pathetic.

The Far Right must really be desperate.
 
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GOP voter suppression shenanigans and law suits in swing states mostly ineffective

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/gop_voter_suppression_more_mis.php

A couple examples. The article has a lot more.

In Indiana, for instance, a Superior Court judge declined to support a GOP bid to shut down early voting centers in Democratic-leaning cities in Lake County, and the state Supreme Court chose not to immediately intervene.

In New Mexico, the state party held a press conference at which it released the names, and some personal information, of ten voters, almost all Hispanic, that it said had voted fraudulently in a Democratic primary in June. It was later established that they were all legitimate voters. The U.S. Department of Justice is now investigating reports by TPMmuckraker and others that a lawyer attached to the party sent a private investigator to the homes of some of these voters to question them about their voting status -- potentially violating federal voting laws.
 
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There is something seriously wrong with Fox.

In other news, bears have been found polluting in the woods and "Pope not a Hindu" shocker!
 
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Ken Duberstein, Former Reagan Chief of Staff, now on MSNBC agreeing with EagleBurger that Palin is not qualified to be President should the need arise.

Here is an earlier assessment Duberstein offered about the choice that McCain was yet to make - before picking Palin.

How could anyone close their eyes and think of Palin as he describes his ideas about the choice to be made?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIJDsuQJdmU
 
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Electoral maps (Obama/McCain):
Code:
                              AGGREGATES OF CURRENT POLLS                
                                                                 
Date      RCP1     RCP2     CNN   Elec-Vote  USAtlas-A  Pollster  Elec-Proj     
                                                                      
06/21   238/163  289/249  211/194  317/194    271/191              349/189    
06/26   238/163  317/221  211/194  317/194    288/180              338/200    
07/01   238/163  304/234  231/194  317/221    268/180              338/200    
07/06   238/163  304/234  231/194  320/218    268/177              338/200    
07/11   238/163  304/234  231/194  320/215    268/188              306/232    
07/16   255/163  304/234  231/194  320/204    268/177              311/227    
07/21   255/163  322/216  231/194  312/199    268/172   293/214    298/240    
07/26   238/163  322/216  221/189  292/195    264/175   284/147    338/200    
08/11   238/163  322/216  221/189  289/236    264/202   284/157    298/240    
08/21   228/174  264/274  221/189  264/261    264/210   260/191    264/274    
08/26   228/174  273/265  221/189  273/252    259/210   260/176    273/265    
09/06   238/174  273/265  243/189  301/224    259/194   260/179    278/260    
09/16   207/227  286/252  233/189  247/257    216/246   243/219    273/265    
09/26   228/163  286/252  240/200  286/252    264/185   229/174    273/265    
10/01   249/163  348/190  250/189  286/190    264/185   250/174    273/265    
10/06   264/163  353/185  250/189  329/194    316/174   260/163    364/174    
10/11   277/158  353/185  264/174  343/184    329/158   320/158    364/174    
10/15   286/158  364/174  264/174  357/181    349/158   320/155    369/169    
10/23   306/160  364/174  277/174  337/171    301/160   286/157    364/174    
10/28   306/157  375/163  277/174  364/157    306/142   306/142    375/163    
10/31   311/142  353/185  291/163  364/171    338/142   311/142

Market Update:
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               INTRADE       IOWA ELECTRONIC MARKET

           Obama    McCain      Dem     Rep
Jun 26     $64.1    $32.4      0.622   0.378
Jul 11     $65.0    $31.2      0.643   0.358
Jul 26     $63.2    $32.2      0.688   0.355
Aug 11     $59.9    $37.2      0.621   0.377
Aug 21     $59.0    $38.7      0.607   0.394
Sep 01     $61.1    $39.2      0.602   0.395
Sep 11     $49.0    $49.9      0.540   0.462
Sep 21     $51.3    $47.7      0.601   0.392
Oct 01     $64.8    $34.6      0.651   0.322
Oct 11     $78.1    $21.9      0.840   0.160   
Oct 15     $80.1    $20.0      0.820   0.185
Oct 23     $85.4    $14.7      0.862   0.135
Oct 28     $87.6    $12.2      0.860   0.130
Oct 31     $84.5    $16.6      0.847   0.154


Note: Election Projection's site appears to be down.
 
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CNN just moved North Dakota from leaning McCain, to undecided. La was changed from leaning, to safe for McCain, which seems odd to me given the recent polls.

Obama is now running commercials in Arizona!
 
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Did you all see the excerpt of Obama on The Daily Show? Jon asked if he is worried that when it comes time to vote, he might not vote for himself - that the white guy in him might not let him vote for the black guy? :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:
 
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I just got a robo-call claiming that Obama will take money from tax-payers just like me, and give the money to people who pay no taxes. I don't know how I got on the call-list of people making over $250K/yr...
 
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turbo-1 said:
I just got a robo-call claiming that Obama will take money from tax-payers just like me, and give the money to people who pay no taxes. I don't know how I got on the call-list of people making over $250K/yr...

Heh, last year the Republicans called and informed me that I had won a national leadership award, and for only a couple of thousand bucks, I could attend a dinner with Bush!

I told him that it would cost much more than that for me to sit down with Bush.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Heh, last year the Republicans called and informed me that I had won a national leadership award, and for only a couple of thousand bucks, I could attend a dinner with Bush!

I told him that it would cost much more than that for me to sit down with Bush.
I have received similar solicitations to attend dinner with the president. The more one pays, the closer to the president one sits. I also received similar solicitations for RNC and DNC - the more one pays, the greater number of influential people one gets to meet. I could have had dinner with Pelosi and Reid, Bill Clinton, Gore, etc - or Bush, Cheney, . . . . :rolleyes:

Ummm - No thanks!
 
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Depending on how the business was doing at the time, I might take an offer like that to sit with Obama.

Btw, the "award" was a complete fabrication.
 
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Yes! CNN tracked a Republican woman in Ohio who was undecided. After five days, and when she was out of time [she had to leave town] she finally broke for Obama.

My hope is that this will be typical of many Republicans: They are undecided because they want to vote Republican, but they don't want to vote for McCain and Palin. I have been in a similar situation in the past, and I broke just as she did. It is a struggle between emotions, and intellect, and the intellect wins; hopefully!
 

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