What Are the Latest Developments in Russia's Ion Accelerator Technology?

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The discussion centers around recent developments in ion accelerator technology in Russia, specifically focusing on a new accelerator that uses electrons to accelerate ions. Participants explore the characteristics of this technology, compare it to Western counterparts, and discuss various aspects of ion acceleration methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a Russian accelerator that is 15 cm long, using a 1 MeV electron beam to produce ions at 1 GeV.
  • Another participant references the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) and the third phase of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), suggesting they are relevant to the discussion.
  • It is noted that RHIC accelerators do not utilize the electron acceleration method described in the original post.
  • One participant describes the concept of using electrons from a plasma to create a significant electrostatic field that can accelerate ions to high energies over very short distances, referencing laser labs that employ this technique.
  • There is a discussion about the energy levels achievable with this method, with specific mention of the energy requirements for medical applications.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the specifics of the electron acceleration method and mentions high current levels associated with the technology, questioning the involvement of lasers.
  • There is speculation about the potential application of the discussed accelerator technology, including a query about its suitability for neutral-beam heating in tokamaks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of the electron acceleration method and its applications. There is no consensus on the details of the technology or its comparison to existing Western accelerators.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and uncertainties regarding the technology, including the nature of the currents involved and the specific types of ions being accelerated. The discussion reflects a range of knowledge levels among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in advancements in particle accelerator technology, ion acceleration methods, and applications in medical and experimental physics may find this discussion relevant.

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Recently in Russia they published a book about a specific accelerator of ions. The ions are accelerated by electrons. They built an accelerator of 15 cm in length, with 1 MeV of electron beam and they obtain ions of 1 GeV at the exit. I wonder if there are similar accelerators in the West?
 
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Also, the third phase of the LHC
 
As far as I could understand, RHIC Accelerators do not use the effect I mention in OP. I repeat: the ions are accelerated by electrons, not by electrodes.
 
Yeah, RHIC is "conventional", but WOW! Quark-gluon plasmas... tiny black holes...

As for using electrons, this is somewhat of a holy-grail in some circles. The concept is simple; take some electrons from a plasma, separate them from the ions, and there will be an electrostatic field that is so huge that the ions will reach high energies in 10's of microns. This is what is done (routinely) in many laser labs, mostly in the Northern Hemisphere. Fire a very powerful laser at an extremely thin piece of solid. The laser "heats" the electrons predominantly in the forward direction, they leave the target and set up this short-lived field that accelerates ions.

The electrons have a "temperature" of order of MeV, as you said, and, if the ions are protons, their energies are coming out at 20-50 MeV. For higher Z ions, the energies can be > GeV. But one must look at the energy per nucleon before one is impressed or not! For medical applications, protons at 200 MeV are needed to get to ~ center of a human body. So, for applications, think of 200 MeV per nucleon, roughly.

I'm not sure what you are referencing in you initial comment, but ions can be accelerated by electrons to GeV energies in 10-100 microns and 10-100 psec. But take care of which ion and, for my example, there is a rather large laser used to make the electrons.
 
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...I'm not sure what you are referencing in you initial comment, but ions can be accelerated by electrons to GeV energies in 10-100 microns and 10-100 psec. But take care of which ion and, for my example, there is a rather large laser used to make the electrons.
I myself do not know much about it. They say currents are about 10000-100000 A, duration: 10-8 - 10-9 s. And I think there is no laser involved. I have to find out more though.
 
Bob_for_short said:
I myself do not know much about it. They say currents are about 10000-100000 A, duration: 10-8 - 10-9 s. And I think there is no laser involved. I have to find out more though.

I'd be interesting as to what kind of accelerator this is. With such high currents, I suspect that it is also large aperture, too. kA/cm^2 time x cm^2.

Could it be for neutral-beam heating of tokamaks? On second thought, probably not. Those would be H- ions (H with 2 electrons; or is it H2 with one extra electron?) and 1 GeV is a huge energy.
 

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